Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:03 am  

Chris28 wrote:

Someone on Twitter said 'Arry was adopting the 4-4-1-Doddy formation in his defence.

Ferocious Aardvark Post subject: Re: Delays in the justice system thread, Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:31 pm wrote:

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But I reckon Harry will get off. I hope he does, as he's a star. He's playing a 4-5-Ken Dodd formation, whch is very effective for a fixture against the taxman, and the jury may be his extra man.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

:D

My apologies - credit where it's due and my memory isn't what it was.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:18 am  

Chris28 wrote:

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

:D

My apologies - credit where it's due and my memory isn't what it was.

That's what 'Arry said.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:46 am  

Latest betting on the new recipient of the England manager's salary:

Rosie - 4/7

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:12 am  

Makes you think what he'd be worth if he did have some business acumen Or maybe he's not quite as daft as he'd like to make us believe?

Makes you think what he'd be worth if he did have some business acumen Or maybe he's not quite as daft as he'd like to make us believe?

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:15 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

but the laughable media love-in with him means he is almost guaranteed the job.

Of course they love him.
Its always 'London is the centre of the world' in the media and what says London more than a Cockney(He may not be an official Cockney as I dont know where he was born but you get the point)?
Now the fact that he can neither write or possibly read is just the icing on their cake.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:09 pm  

Part of HMRC's reasoning in deciding which cases to settle by civil means and which to take to criminal prosecution is what message a successful conviction will send out to those currently committing the same offence that they haven't caught up with yet.

Given the current political hot potato that is offshore tax evasion (Vodafone, Phillip Green etc), a conviction of someone high profile like Redknapp would have been manna from heaven for HMRC to use for these purposes.

Sadly, they've fallen into the same trap they did with Ken Dodd of believing that a jury will find a likeable, cheeky high profile "personality" guilty of anything. On the facts of the case as reported, it's clear as the nose on your face that Redknapp had this money paid to an offshore account to avoid UK tax - in much the same way that Dodd admitted being paid in cash and having suitcases full of the stuff under his bed for the same means.

I've absolutely no issues with the decision to take the case to court, which would have needed to be supported by the CPS. Unfortunately, the problem you have to live with if you want a jury system is that sometimes it will let you down.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:12 pm  

I don't see it as a jury letting me down.

Whether you believe him or not, commenting on the jury system in general as opposed to redknapp's case in particular, the fact is that the jury has functions in our society that extend beyone the specific duty they are given by the court, and always has had. The jury has (for example) a useful power against perceived oppression. Neither the state nor the judge can tell them what to do. ATEOTD it is up to them so, for example, even if they thought a defendant was technically guilty as sin, they can still vote to acquit if say they believed that the prosecution was purely politically motivated, or was oppressive, or some other reason which legally was no reason at all to acquit.

They do not have to give their reasons for acquittal, and so do have this great power.

Who knows what happened in the jury room at Redknapp's trial, but if for example a jury perceived what they regarded as a basically good bloke, who does indisputably pay millions in taxes, being scapegoated or oppressed over a (comparatively) modest amount of tax, when they see bankers stealing billions, and companies like Vodafone getting unjustifiable sweetheart deals, then I personally would understand that. Redknapp should be a long way down the list for prosecution. The likes of Vodafone, Goodwin et al , some jurors might argue, surely get their collars felt first and examined as to whether what they or their companies have been up to is or is not criminal conduct.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:21 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I don't see it as a jury letting me down.

Whether you believe him or not, commenting on the jury system in general as opposed to redknapp's case in particular, the fact is that the jury has functions in our society that extend beyone the specific duty they are given by the court, and always has had. The jury has (for example) a useful power against perceived oppression. Neither the state nor the judge can tell them what to do. ATEOTD it is up to them so, for example, even if they thought a defendant was technically guilty as sin, they can still vote to acquit if say they believed that the prosecution was purely politically motivated, or was oppressive, or some other reason which legally was no reason at all to acquit.

They do not have to give their reasons for acquittal, and so do have this great power.

Who knows what happened in the jury room at Redknapp's trial, but if for example a jury perceived what they regarded as a basically good bloke, who does indisputably pay millions in taxes, being scapegoated or oppressed over a (comparatively) modest amount of tax, when they see bankers stealing billions, and companies like Vodafone getting unjustifiable sweetheart deals, then I personally would understand that. Redknapp should be a long way down the list for prosecution. The likes of Vodafone, Goodwin et al , some jurors might argue, surely get their collars felt first and examined as to whether what they or their companies have been up to is or is not criminal conduct.

Re: 'Arry does a Doddy : Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:01 pm  

This morning the Spurs board have informed Harry Redknapp that he is free to leave. All he has to do is write his own resignation letter