[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:29 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Probably hard not to look better than them.

Cuthbertson as a class prop is a myth. He's done very little since 2015, and if you took the 2 basic requirements for a prop - hard running and strong defence - he'd be near the bottom of the list amongst the other Leeds props. He can do better, but its never been his strength.

That's because his conditioning is terrible. He gets gassed too early, stays out to long and is ineffective.
2015 he was the perfect foil for us in the way we went about tearing teams apart, since we've dropped massively from that he's being asked to do what he cant and is found wanting.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:32 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Cuthbertson hasn't been a quality prop this year too intent on playing like a 6 & often "missing" when the tough stuff was required.
We need at least 2 BR & a quality Prop as priority before we look elsewhere plus a better Coaching & Cinditioning set up.

I don't think this is a fair assessment of Cuthbertson's efforts this season. With the on field team lacking 3/4 of our big starting props for most of the season much of the hard middle work had to be taken on by Singleton and Cuthbertson. He has made so far the second most metres of our forwards and has made the 3rd most tackles of the whole squad and has the second best work rate per minute behind Dwyer.

Had we had our other big men available Cuthbertson would have been fresher and more effective

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:27 am  

Disagree. I think for the 'pack leader' he's supposed to be he's dire. He's a fair weather prop, happy to do the flashy stuff, but when you need someone to lead by example - make the hard run, get back in defence and actually hurt the opposition in the tackle - he's a dud. He was in the NRL and he is for Leeds. I fully expect him to look better if we have a full complement of half decent other props, but so does Mullally at 13. Are you genuinely suggesting that in any of the games he's played he's given the sort of obvious leadership by example of a Peacock?

We've got him for two years more, and I'm sure he'll do better with more around him, but so will everyone else.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:56 am  

Cuthbertson looks like he can hardly run at all. Amazed we gave him a two year deal

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:51 am  

But look at Cuthbo's achievements with the women's team!!
Needs to stick at what he's good at. Shift him out.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:25 am  

I can't believe people are moaning about Cuthbertson, when the alternatives we have are a guy who can rarely get on the pitch, a player who gives loads of effort but is absolutely useless in the primary need of a prop of hard yards, Mullaley who is as bang average as they come, and a youngster.

I purposely left out Peteru as in all honesty I don't even believe he is a prop, and he looks far better suited to back row to me. But given a run, I do think he is of a good standard.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:38 am  

Gotcha wrote:

I can't believe people are moaning about Cuthbertson, when the alternatives we have are a guy who can rarely get on the pitch, a player who gives loads of effort but is absolutely useless in the primary need of a prop of hard yards, Mullaley who is as bang average as they come, and a youngster.

I purposely left out Peteru as in all honesty I don't even believe he is a prop, and he looks far better suited to back row to me. But given a run, I do think he is of a good standard.

Just because the alternatives are very poor doesn't elevate Cuthbertson to some kind of super-prop status. He has been bang average since 2015. His desire for hard physical graft isn't what it should be and without a Peacock type leader to kick his booty into action he does as little of the grunt as he can get away with.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:45 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Just because the alternatives are very poor doesn't elevate Cuthbertson to some kind of super-prop status. He has been bang average since 2015. His desire for hard physical graft isn't what it should be and without a Peacock type leader to kick his booty into action he does as little of the grunt as he can get away with.

It doesn't elevate him no, but what it does do is make very little difference in replacing Cuthbertson with someone else, when there is still the same people supplimenting that, which is the more pressing problem. Ignoring that issue, is just daft.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:34 am  

Gotcha wrote:

It doesn't elevate him no, but what it does do is make very little difference in replacing Cuthbertson with someone else, when there is still the same people supplimenting that, which is the more pressing problem. Ignoring that issue, is just daft.

I concur with that - I just think he effectiveness is way over stated on here - possibly because the back-ups are so bang average. In an ideal world we would not be extending Cuthbertson's contract based on his contribution since 2015 but we are not in an ideal world.

Re: OUT 2019 | Joel Moon - Unattached : Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:09 am  

we just need to support him in the right role ! Pack is just not good enough!