Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:06 am  

Gotcha wrote:

No it’s not. This is 2018.

he is right you are wrong, makinson is a good player, but is not and never will be in the same class as Ryan hall this version 2015 version 2012 version 2008 version. if hall was fit he would be playing and be first choice winger.
add a fit Watkins to England squad aswell, and i think Briscoe is unlucky not to be a recall, been one of the best wingers in league this year in a poor performing team.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:16 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

he is right you are wrong, makinson is a good player, but is not and never will be in the same class as Ryan hall this version 2015 version 2012 version 2008 version. if hall was fit he would be playing and be first choice winger.
add a fit Watkins to England squad aswell, and i think Briscoe is unlucky not to be a recall, been one of the best wingers in league this year in a poor performing team.

And again, IMO you are wrong too. He hasn't been as good as Makinson for last two years. Makinson may well never be as good as Ryan Hal at his peak, but he is a damn site better player over last two seasons.

I didn't doubt he would be picked, I said he shouldn't be, over that player.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:31 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

i think Briscoe is unlucky not to be a recall, been one of the best wingers in league this year in a poor performing team.

Is there a third Briscoe brother parading around SL who has gone under my radar?

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:48 am  

Gotcha wrote:

And again, IMO you are wrong too. He hasn't been as good as Makinson for last two years. Makinson may well never be as good as Ryan Hal at his peak, but he is a damn site better player over last two seasons.

I didn't doubt he would be picked, I said he shouldn't be, over that player.

and again you are wrong he is still a better player and if fit should be picked over Makinson, makinson may well get the other wing spot over mcgilvery but hall. should and would have got the other.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:30 pm  

Makinson, Johnstone and the other contenders for the wing spots have still to prove themselves as international wings against the big two and its a hell of a big step to make. Its one thing running in 30 tries against SL oppo and an entirely different proposition when you step to that level and the space and chances are drastically reduced. You may only get one half chance a match and are also expected to be solid in all defensive aspects as well as aiding your pack bringing the ball back. It wasn't that long ago Charnley was ripping up SL, got his chance and looked woefully short at the highest level.

For me, if fit JM and RH are still clear picks for the wings for England although it's nice to have others chomping at the bit.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:00 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Is there a third Briscoe brother parading around SL who has gone under my radar?

if the likes of Adam Milner and reece Lynd are considered international class, then even luke briscoe can consider himself in with a chance. but then again the like of Mike Forshaw Paul Johnson had long international careers under David (Iestyn Harris is overrated) Waite and Brian (talent is overrated) Noble

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:45 pm  

I despair sometimes. Fully agree on personal opinions, and of course there is always one season wonders. Adam Milner for example has been the best loose forward in Super League, bar absolutely nobody, for the past two seasons on the trot, which shows a consistency and deserving of a pick.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:48 pm  

I'll go with Gotcha's view, if only for the sake of improving a winger for the next few years. If a World Cup was imminent I'd go with Hall.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:00 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I despair sometimes. Fully agree on personal opinions, and of course there is always one season wonders. Adam Milner for example has been the best loose forward in Super League, bar absolutely nobody, for the past two seasons on the trot, which shows a consistency and deserving of a pick.

SOL when fit is the best 13 in the comp and has been for a fair few years and that is exactly why he is still england 13 and captain. Milner should be in the squad no arguments.

Re: England Squad : Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:04 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

I'll go with Gotcha's view, if only for the sake of improving a winger for the next few years. If a World Cup was imminent I'd go with Hall.

But Gotcha's view was that Hall wouldn't be a pick for him even if fit.

Like you say, it will be good to see other wingers attempt to step up, although i see both JM and Hall capable of being first choices for the next couple of years at least both are 30 and the end is not that far away.