Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:12 pm  

The Phantom Horseman wrote:

Think quite a big thing was made about Delaney putting in a swansong appearance for Leeds in this game wasn't there? Though he's been in Australia for the last week or two and has only just resumed pre-season training so might be just a cameo.

Skip that, interview on YouTube says his eye injury is still anissue and he can't play yet.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:57 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Do Wakefield have any notable up and coming young players? There were no Wakefield players in the England Academy squad last night, Leeds dominated the squad with 7 players.

Last year yes, this year no - some years you do some you don't. However if you had even the basic knowledge of how the game works you'd know that only a relative few make it in the senior game - far less in fact than those who never got close to Academy International selction who do make it.

Just from my own club Gareth Ellis, Danny Brough and Tom Johnstone didn't to name but a few and they have done just fine - likewise I bet I can name a shed load of Leeds and Wigan players through the years who got honours but never progressed.

It's a dangerous game banking on youth players and one of the few things that Hetherington does that I don't agree with. Leeds and Wigan hoover up all the best talent at aged 16-19, that's fine as far as it goes but it's just a snap shot of a player at a certain age and absolutely no guarantee of quality. Yes there are the very rare exceptions who you'd put your house on but not many.

I can't see many of those in this years England Academy team, which looks more solid than brilliant, this isn't a bad thing as it's often these players who progress well.

Wakefield currently have 13 Academy products in the first team, I'm happy enough with that. Of the three promoted this year Titus Gwaze, Jack Croft and Yusuf Aydin I have high hopes for all three.But you carry on Kev its quite amusing.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:51 am  

Gareth Ellis is 37 and Danny Brough 36 next month. Personally i’d expect a Super League club to be producing more than 2 international players every 18 years.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

Last year yes, this year no - some years you do some you don't. However if you had even the basic knowledge of how the game works you'd know that only a relative few make it in the senior game - far less in fact than those who never got close to Academy International selction who do make it.

Just from my own club Gareth Ellis, Danny Brough and Tom Johnstone didn't to name but a few and they have done just fine - likewise I bet I can name a shed load of Leeds and Wigan players through the years who got honours but never progressed.

It's a dangerous game banking on youth players and one of the few things that Hetherington does that I don't agree with. Leeds and Wigan hoover up all the best talent at aged 16-19, that's fine as far as it goes but it's just a snap shot of a player at a certain age and absolutely no guarantee of quality. Yes there are the very rare exceptions who you'd put your house on but not many.

I can't see many of those in this years England Academy team, which looks more solid than brilliant, this isn't a bad thing as it's often these players who progress well.

Wakefield currently have 13 Academy products in the first team, I'm happy enough with that. Of the three promoted this year Titus Gwaze, Jack Croft and Yusuf Aydin I have high hopes for all three.But you carry on Kev its quite amusing.

Jeez you went off the deep end didn't you.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:54 pm  

yet the league is full of ex Leeds youth players.apart from the 2 or 3 seasons macdermotts meddled with the academy Leeds have consistently brought youth through.
if only other clubs had the same attitude the game would be far stronger

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:04 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Gareth Ellis is 37 and Danny Brough 36 next month. Personally i’d expect a Super League club to be producing more than 2 international players every 18 years.

I don't think that's what he's saying, the players he mentioned weren't England Academy players but went onto have good careers. FTR Trinity has had 2 England players this year but don't let that get in the way of your pop at the club.

Of course, Leeds are going to have more, look at the size of their catchment area, it dwarves other sides since it's what the 3rd/4th biggest City in England depending on where you look. As well as the ability to get youngsters from other areas because they've been a massively successful club since SL came in. Wakefield which is miles smaller has 3 teams in it competing for youngsters, 2 being SL teams that split the best talent- that's if teams like Wigan, Wire Leeds etc don't get there signatures first.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:54 am  

Shifty Cat wrote:

I don't think that's what he's saying, the players he mentioned weren't England Academy players but went onto have good careers. FTR Trinity has had 2 England players this year but don't let that get in the way of your pop at the club.

Of course, Leeds are going to have more, look at the size of their catchment area, it dwarves other sides since it's what the 3rd/4th biggest City in England depending on where you look. As well as the ability to get youngsters from other areas because they've been a massively successful club since SL came in. Wakefield which is miles smaller has 3 teams in it competing for youngsters, 2 being SL teams that split the best talent- that's if teams like Wigan, Wire Leeds etc don't get there signatures first.

Of course that's what I meant anyone with half a brain could see that - you decide where Sir Kevin is on the brain scale.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:26 am  

Fallon wrote:

Jeez you went off the deep end didn't you.

In what way? It's called a debate, what part of that don't you get?

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:31 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

I don't think that's what he's saying, the players he mentioned weren't England Academy players but went onto have good careers. FTR Trinity has had 2 England players this year but don't let that get in the way of your pop at the club.

Of course, Leeds are going to have more, look at the size of their catchment area, it dwarves other sides since it's what the 3rd/4th biggest City in England depending on where you look. As well as the ability to get youngsters from other areas because they've been a massively successful club since SL came in. Wakefield which is miles smaller has 3 teams in it competing for youngsters, 2 being SL teams that split the best talent- that's if teams like Wigan, Wire Leeds etc don't get there signatures first.

All the big sides fish across the whole pond, and no doubt the "smaller" clubs suffer talent drain. Altough I'm not sure what you do about that practically. I guess the other point is that clubs like Leeds at least do develop talent once they've identified it, with good systems and staff. Not saying others don't but... it's difficult out there.

Re: BOXING DAY | Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield Trinity : Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:02 pm  

vastman wrote:

In what way? It's called a debate, what part of that don't you get?

Well I'm glad we have cleared up that your not an angry little man. Was worried for a moment I may have misjudged you.