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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:05 pm 
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luke ShipleyRed wrote:is that still being looked into? I now there was some talk about before, I wasn't sure 8f they were still looking at it .

Makes this proposal even harder. As at the moment a minimum of 2 SL clubs will be going down (if you include Toronto & Toulouse that's 4). So 4 or 6 current championship clubs would be told to go amateur (or league 1).

Now if you add in Manchester, Newcastle, Coventry (backed by Wasps) & Dublin who were all reported to be intrested in a SL Franchise. That 4 more clubs being told to go amateur (or league 1)
Then add in New York, Hamilton, Boston and others.

Your basically relegating every team that's in the Championship down. Also demoting at least 4 to 7 more current SL clubs.

And people are arguing that that's alright?


I know that this is only a proposal. And that for it to be voted as the new structure SL chairmen would have to be greedy, short sighted idiots (so it's got a chance then).

So this is a purely hypothetical question/point.

If it was voted in. Would it lead to RL splitting, and having 2 entirely different competitions?
like the Australians had for a couple of years (it think it was a couple of years).

If it does happen. Someone really needs to get hold of the guy who negotiated the 6 nations tv contract.
The only game that doesn't involve any home nations, on at 7.30 pm on a Friday night on a main TV channel. That's impressive negotiations.






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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:28 pm 
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joultram wrote:The million pound game gets into virtually every national paper's sports pages (let's not forget this is a game between the worst of Super League and the best of the Championship)

Yet only 50,000 tuned in to watch it.






JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:57 pm 
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We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.






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 Post subject: Re: 10 TEAM SUPERLEAGUE?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:42 pm 
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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.


And why do we need that?






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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:44 pm 
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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.


Why can't they have their own domestic leagues that are of the same level as Super League?

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Chris.Taylor wrote:Why can't they have their own domestic leagues that are of the same level as Super League?


Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.






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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:10 pm 
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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.

So rather than concentrate on increasing the playing pool, you want to plonk teams at random north American Cities and build from the top down? Yeah....that's gonna work :CRAZY:






JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:15 pm 
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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.


Apart from the fact that most Canadians would happily string you up for calling them "North American", you've sort of in a cack-handed way hit the nail on the head. There aren't enough players or financiers to sustain a strong RL structure in the UK (right down to grass roots) and that's where the problem lies. Success across the Atlantic or the English Channel won't help UK clubs.

Fax are engaging with local amateur RL clubs, with the home games so far this season seeing two of them as guests for the day. Are all SL clubs doing the same? I'm sure that some are, but I doubt they all engage with the local community for the better good of the game.

The direction of your posts I feel would actually suggest that maybe ditching non-UK clubs from SL would perhaps (contentious!) be the best option. The two French clubs are a struggling SL outfit and one that may make the Middle 8's but has no chance of progressing further. The odds of both being in the Championship next year, although probably unlikely, is far greater than them both being in SL.

My own team doesn't come in to this. Fax aren't ready for SL either on or off the pitch, but the RFL and SL should focus on how best to make the game better in the UK, end of.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:30 pm 
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bramleyrhino wrote:Given that Toronto have been getting crowds around 8 times what that Dewsbury - Batley figure, I think you're a bit off the mark.


London playing at home would pull in less than 1000

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:05 pm 
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ronniebarker wrote:London playing at home would pull in less than 1000

As much as you are trolling.........
1,205 were there for the Wolfpack in the 2nd tier with no marketing........a successful London averaged 5k before the current owner took over, ignored marketing and dragged us to the 2nd tier. A successful London, marketed well should be attracting 10k in a heartbeat, but as is the case at most RL clubs, marketing is an afterthought and therefore the top 40% of our clubs deliver 75% of our audience......






JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

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