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Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:01 pm  
Hi all,

Please bear with me, this is my first post on here!

I’m just after some opinions on what people WANT to see in the future, not what they think will happen...

My background, I’m a widnes fan :roll: for my sins.. we have been terrible this season, and thoroughly deserve to be in the situation we are in. We are now favourites to be relegated and need a minor miracle to keep our super league status.

The reason for my question is despite the obvious, I do believe there are certain aspects of our club that merit super league status (academy, stadium set up,history etc) and if we could raise some similar backing to, say, Warrington, could be a force in the future.

This, obviously is no guarantee, but feel like if we had similar player set up to 75% of super league we would be a better proposition...

Discuss!
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:17 pm  
14 team league without promotion and relegation. Championship and Overseas clubs can apply to be added to Super League, or replace any existing clubs not meeting certain criteria.
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:20 pm  
Welcome. Just gonna warn you of the imminent taunting and crap spewing from the likes of 'King' James for daring to mention that your club may merit staying in Super League. I'm not really an ideas man so have nothing really to add myself other than I hope you come back stronger. I would probably say you need to go down this year and regroup, come back better. I hope for it. It was a very pleasant surprise a few seaaons ago when you came out the gate and were top after a third of the season. Shame you guys didn't sustain it.
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:23 pm  
I’ve been a long time outsider looking in, so I’m more than aware of who too look out for on here! Appreciate the heads up though!

Yes I agree going down may be the best thing for us, I just fear falling into the same mess as Leigh, and never getting back!
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:41 pm  
I don't think going down will help in the same way HKR seemed to rally. Despite the title " Let's all laugh at Widnes" there's a fair and reasoned debate on the Warrington board worth a read.

I'm really worried for RL in Widnes hope you turn it around.......eventually (75 still hurts ha ha)
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:26 pm  
I've only ever been to Widnes for games V us, which is obviously their biggest fixture. The last couple of times I've found the crowd to look a bit lower than normal and atmosphere to be non existent. If that's how it is for their biggest local derby, what's it like for the other games? Sorry to say it because I like local fixtures and I don't hate them in the slightest despite their apparent pathological hatred of us, but I think Widnes are finished as a Super League club now. They aren't coming back.
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:00 pm  
SL will probably have to go its own way to attain the potential it thinks it has.As for Widnes,they're not a happy club are they and unlike Wakefield and Salford they dont have a multitude of lives they can lose before they crash and burn
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:03 pm  
Dropkick Murphy wrote:
I've only ever been to Widnes for games V us, which is obviously their biggest fixture. The last couple of times I've found the crowd to look a bit lower than normal and atmosphere to be non existent. If that's how it is for their biggest local derby, what's it like for the other games? Sorry to say it because I like local fixtures and I don't hate them in the slightest despite their apparent pathological hatred of us, but I think Widnes are finished as a Super League club now. They aren't coming back.


I think the main issue is, people are turning up expecting to lose... up until 18 months ago, there was a certain feeling that we was capable of beating anyone, and at home we where pretty consistent.

People like success and at £24 a pop (on match days) it’s a pretty
Expensive hobby when your watching drivel. I’ve not missed a home game all year, and I can’t remember the last time I left feeling satisfied with what I watched. I do feel like the main issue is playing staff (due to lack of funds) and if we could somehow resolve that’s issue I do think we can be competitive again
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:11 pm  
As a fellow Viking I feel your pain. What happens to us is a matter for another time but, in terms of the future of RL I would say the sport must look after all of its family and, to do this, realise that;
1. Franchising works if you are the right side of the fence but is a slow death (if you're old enough you will remember the years) if you are not.
2. The current structure is tremendous for the game in terms of publicity and excitement (give me the middle eights every time over the tedium of the super eights) but it encourages the perpetual problem in the game, that is clubs running themselves into the ground in search of the holy grail.
3. The real cause of all of the worry for any team in the lower divisions, or heading there, is not the prospect of playing against the 'lesser' clubs (from our years there the trips are better, the banters better and you tend to win more) but the prospect of the RFL clowns pulling up the drawbridge while your down there and removing all hope of getting back up.

So my hope would be that we remove the need for Championship sides to be better than at least one SL side in order to get into the promised land and return it to how it should be. That is, the best team in the Championship deserves to go up and the bottom team in SL deserves to go down, but we need to avoid the yo-yo of an unprepared side coming up, buying all the failed players from the team coming down and repeating the cycle. I would throw in that the Championship needs to grow a pair and recognise that, while it's the club that practically no-one wants to be in, it does have some power and should use it or forever sit in the shade. So, if I had my way;

1. Keep the league structure the same, but return to one up one down promotion/relegation, with the team promoted from the Championship given £500,000 more than the other SL sides. This will provide them with funding for the upgrade in infrastructure they would need plus some real heft when it came to tempting quality players from other clubs rather than relying on the cast-offs as currently happens. They should also get a one year exemption from relegation to establish themselves. After that they're on their own. The RFL should guarantee that this structure will be in place for a minimum of ten years so that Chammpionship sides can get used to the fact they don't have to throw money they haven't got at poop or bust attempts to get promotion.

2. The Championship should form its own body (akin to SLE) to fight its corner. This body should insist on its TV rights being sold separately from those of SL, as currently happens, or even sell the rights themselves. For those who say "who would buy rights to second tier RL", I can tell you that when Championship RL was previously televised on SKY it was shown on one of the minor channels but regularly attracted up a quarter to a third of the viewers of SL on the main channel. If the RFL and SL refuse to go along with that they could take some peaceful but meaningful action. I would start with boycotting the Challenge Cup (its not like a Championship side likely to win it).
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Re: Super league - future? : Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:18 pm  
drmvik wrote:
I think the main issue is, people are turning up expecting to lose... up until 18 months ago, there was a certain feeling that we was capable of beating anyone, and at home we where pretty consistent.

People like success and at £24 a pop (on match days) it’s a pretty
Expensive hobby when your watching drivel. I’ve not missed a home game all year, and I can’t remember the last time I left feeling satisfied with what I watched.
I do feel like the main issue is playing staff (due to lack of funds) and if we could somehow resolve that’s issue I do think we can be competitive again


LOL isnt that every clubs problem
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