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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:34 am  
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predictable squad almost identical to last years. both Burgess twins particularly Tom are average players, getting picked on the size competition they play in and reputation of older Brother. Both can not catch, drop the ball much too often, give too many penalties away.


Yeah right :CRAZY:
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:47 am  
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predictable squad almost identical to last years. both Burgess twins particularly Tom are average players, getting picked on the size competition they play in and reputation of older Brother. Both can not catch, drop the ball much too often, give too many penalties away.


Any evidence to share?
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:12 pm  
NRL 2018 average metres/runs George's - 102 from 9.7, Toms - 115 from 11.7, Sam 147 from 16.6. Tackle bust per game, George 1.6 , Tom - 2, Sam 1.7.
Therefore Tom is not particularly average.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:19 pm  
Pretty happy with the squad. I’ve never seen a great deal in Lyne to think he’ll smash it at international level but he seems solid enough and we lack quality in the position.

Happy to see Sam Tomkins back as he’s been very good this year. He’s a different type of player nowadays (a real creator and solid defensively) but I actually think he may be suited more to the international game now. He’s a good option to play at fullback or in the halves. Also pleased to see Joe Greenwood get a go. I’ve been surprised at just how good he’s been for us since his return from Oz. I always thought he was a good player at Saints but didn’t realise just what a handful he can be. He’s eating ground up for Wigan at the minute and his engine looks better then I thought it would be.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:44 pm  
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Pretty happy with the squad. I’ve never seen a great deal in Lyne to think he’ll smash it at international level but he seems solid enough and we lack quality in the position.

Happy to see Sam Tomkins back as he’s been very good this year. He’s a different type of player nowadays (a real creator and solid defensively) but I actually think he may be suited more to the international game now. He’s a good option to play at fullback or in the halves. Also pleased to see Joe Greenwood get a go. I’ve been surprised at just how good he’s been for us since his return from Oz. I always thought he was a good player at Saints but didn’t realise just what a handful he can be. He’s eating ground up for Wigan at the minute and his engine looks better then I thought it would be.


I think that's pretty much the case.

Ltne has had a good season, can score tries from nothing and makes meters. He can also play Wing and FB if needed though the latter I have not seen in years.

What he isn't is a world class centre I'm afraid, that said he's probably closer than Bateman who for me is a forward.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:58 pm  
Can't really argue with any of the selections to be honest, for me the only real surprise is Lyne, thought maybe Gildart, Cudjoe, Josh Griffin and possibly Shenton would have been above him for selection but fair play he's obviously impressed the selectors.

all of the others, Johnstone particularly have more or less picked themselves.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:04 pm  
Stefan Ratchford
Jermaine McGillvary
Jake Connor
Mark Percival
Tom Johnstone
Sam Tomkins
Luke Gale
George Burgess
Josh Hodgson
James Graham
Elliot Whitehead
Sam Burgess
Sean O'Loughlin

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Daryl Clark
Joe Greenwood
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:15 pm  
Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
Stefan Ratchford
Jermaine McGillvary
Jake Connor
Mark Percival
Tom Johnstone
Sam Tomkins
Luke Gale
George Burgess
Josh Hodgson
James Graham
Elliot Whitehead
Sam Burgess
Sean O'Loughlin

Tom Burgess
Daryl Clark
Joe Greenwood
John Bateman


Tomkins at fullback, doesn’t add anything for me at 6. Jake Connor moves into the halves with Lyne coming into Centre.

I’ll let you off with your poor judgment as you’re a Catalan fan. Oh, sorry I meant Leeds.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:28 pm  
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Yeah right :CRAZY:

Agree. I've watched the Souths a lot this year and both have got back to their previous form and generally done a really good job for them. In the past, both had lost their way a bit at times but both this year have got back to doing what they do best, running the ball in hard, making meters and tiring defenses out. Yes, they can lose the ball but it's no different from every prop in collisions. All 3 brothers were a key reason why Souths did well this year.
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Re: England Squad v NZ : Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:21 pm  
Wow, things must be bad when two Wakefield players are getting a gig!
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