Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:21 am  

Crackerjack wrote:

Sorry Jools obviously misled you
1 THE younguns may WANT TO play - thats good but I`m saying that the ideal structure is to introduce them into a teamthats going well with senior players setting an example - not throwing them to the Lionsin a struggling team out of desperation. Hows that going to develop them and give them confidence ? You wouldnt pitch the best 18 year old at Longwood harriers against Mo Farah
As for your second point , any good youngsters who show they can hack it in a struggling team in SL will certainly be approached Id bet if we end upin the million pound game or worse......
And if its a glamour team that comes knocking - and they want to progress - it will be a hard decision theyre facing
Thats the predicament wed be facing soon if thingsdont change sadly !

I agree with a lot of the points raised but in my opinion the one thing that is the most relevant is the present system of the play offs.Clubs at the bottom of SL cannot afford to blood young players especially with an injury crisis like the one the Giants are facing at present also players will more than likely have it written in their contracts an option to leave if a club is relegated.There is in my opinion an underlying cause at the Giants that needs to be looked at the injury problem has been going on for over 3 years and never gets any better.Some posters will blame the management Thewlis seems to be the one who gets the most stick and I find myself asking what position does he play.Personally I think we need a stronger Coach who will instil an Oz type of mentality a greater mind set designed to make the players fitter faster and stronger.I watch the warm up and it's plain to see the players that do not wish to be there and believe you me it is not too difficult to spot this.Lets face it a fit player is less likely to get injured than an unfit one.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:10 pm  

Huddersfield do have some of the strangest fans in Super League.

When you were not getting results early on, the 'experts' on here were demanding the head of Rick Stone and guaranteeing his removal would lead to an upturn in results. Since he's gone there's hardly been an improvement in results or performances (you even lost to hopeless Salford!) so it proves most of your fans were wrong and it wasn't all down to Stone.

Perhaps getting behind your side a bit more when you were struggling instead of moaning about the coach and you may, just may, have seen a few more wins.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:28 pm  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

Huddersfield do have some of the strangest fans in Super League.

When you were not getting results early on, the 'experts' on here were demanding the head of Rick Stone and guaranteeing his removal would lead to an upturn in results. Since he's gone there's hardly been an improvement in results or performances (you even lost to hopeless Salford!) so it proves most of your fans were wrong and it wasn't all down to Stone.

Perhaps getting behind your side a bit more when you were struggling instead of moaning about the coach and you may, just may, have seen a few more wins.

some not all ... i for one didnt think there would be any change in results, no coach will get wins with the injuries we have right now.

correct it certianly wasnt all down to stone.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:29 pm  

bilko1941 wrote:

I agree with a lot of the points raised but in my opinion the one thing that is the most relevant is the present system of the play offs.Clubs at the bottom of SL cannot afford to blood young players especially with an injury crisis like the one the Giants are facing at present also players will more than likely have it written in their contracts an option to leave if a club is relegated.There is in my opinion an underlying cause at the Giants that needs to be looked at the injury problem has been going on for over 3 years and never gets any better.Some posters will blame the management Thewlis seems to be the one who gets the most stick and I find myself asking what position does he play.Personally I think we need a stronger Coach who will instil an Oz type of mentality a greater mind set designed to make the players fitter faster and stronger.I watch the warm up and it's plain to see the players that do not wish to be there and believe you me it is not too difficult to spot this.Lets face it a fit player is less likely to get injured than an unfit one.

fitness could be an issue with the injuries yes, brought boomer in to try fix up and also a new aussie coach coming maybe!

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:26 am  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

Huddersfield do have some of the strangest fans in Super League.

When you were not getting results early on, the 'experts' on here were demanding the head of Rick Stone and guaranteeing his removal would lead to an upturn in results. Since he's gone there's hardly been an improvement in results or performances (you even lost to hopeless Salford!) so it proves most of your fans were wrong and it wasn't all down to Stone.

Perhaps getting behind your side a bit more when you were struggling instead of moaning about the coach and you may, just may, have seen a few more wins.

No we are still not getting results. But we ARE seeing an improvement in performances. Because honestly stone had us playing an absolutely dire game plan.
When we only have 5 of our first choice squad on the field playing in their true position we are always going to struggle-even against Salford.
If Wigan has this many injuries you’d never hear the last of it.
No first choice 1,2,3,11 at all, a range of people shuffled in at 5, 6,7,9,12 and 13 due to numerous other injuries to first choice and replacements.
We haven’t seen the same team more than twice all season.
At least our interim coach is trying to do something about the issues that were glaringly obvious. He’s brought in someone to help our out of depth conditioner, brought back loan players, started to make changes to a game plan that never worked and given some excellent young players gametime.
Something a supposedly more experienced coach did not do.
He was always on a hiding to nothing with injuries over a tough Easter period. They didn’t even get chance to train the first week he was in charge.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:53 am  

jools wrote:

No we are still not getting results. But we ARE seeing an improvement in performances. Because honestly stone had us playing an absolutely dire game plan.
When we only have 5 of our first choice squad on the field playing in their true position we are always going to struggle-even against Salford.
If Wigan has this many injuries you’d never hear the last of it.
No first choice 1,2,3,11 at all, a range of people shuffled in at 5, 6,7,9,12 and 13 due to numerous other injuries to first choice and replacements.
We haven’t seen the same team more than twice all season.
At least our interim coach is trying to do something about the issues that were glaringly obvious. He’s brought in someone to help our out of depth conditioner, brought back loan players, started to make changes to a game plan that never worked and given some excellent young players gametime.
Something a supposedly more experienced coach did not do.
He was always on a hiding to nothing with injuries over a tough Easter period. They didn’t even get chance to train the first week he was in charge.

What planet do you reside in?

Any side who losing at home so convincingly to a side as limited as Salford is clearly showing no signs of improvement. That's just you trying to kid yourself you were correct all along about Stone.

You lost by a less margin under Stone to St Helens and they are top of the league.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:31 pm  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

What planet do you reside in?

Any side who losing at home so convincingly to a side as limited as Salford is clearly showing no signs of improvement. That's just you trying to kid yourself you were correct all along about Stone.

You lost by a less margin under Stone to St Helens and they are top of the league.

forgot we have also lost to salford for the last 5 seasons at home, some teams always have that bogey team! i didnt expect us to win, even put money on it!

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:40 pm  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

What planet do you reside in?

Any side who losing at home so convincingly to a side as limited as Salford is clearly showing no signs of improvement. That's just you trying to kid yourself you were correct all along about Stone.

You lost by a less margin under Stone to St Helens and they are top of the league.

Yes we did- first home game in, we actually played with the team we’d trained with in pre season- without the pile more injuries we’ve had since then. We had all but Leroy, symonds and Wakeman from our first choice 17 in that saints game Leroy and symonds took no part in pre season anyway, and Wakeman only limited.
Since then we have had between 9 and 11 players on the treatment table every week (not the same 9-11 just to exacerbate the situation) and at least theee each week playing with injections
Or are you claiming that doesn’t make a difference?
Do you think that outcome would be the same had saints been without barba, swift, makinson, amor, lms, tai, peyroux, roby coming back from a three week concussion protocol having to play a full game oh and no second choice fullback or wing either so matty smith at fullback. What do you reckon?

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:38 am  

jools wrote:

No we are still not getting results. But we ARE seeing an improvement in performances. Because honestly stone had us playing an absolutely dire game plan.
When we only have 5 of our first choice squad on the field playing in their true position we are always going to struggle-even against Salford.
If Wigan has this many injuries you’d never hear the last of it.
No first choice 1,2,3,11 at all, a range of people shuffled in at 5, 6,7,9,12 and 13 due to numerous other injuries to first choice and replacements.
We haven’t seen the same team more than twice all season.
At least our interim coach is trying to do something about the issues that were glaringly obvious. He’s brought in someone to help our out of depth conditioner, brought back loan players, started to make changes to a game plan that never worked and given some excellent young players gametime.
Something a supposedly more experienced coach did not do.
He was always on a hiding to nothing with injuries over a tough Easter period. They didn’t even get chance to train the first week he was in charge.

Improvement in performance? A good point against Leeds then thumped in every other match, at no point ever looking likely to win. Sacking Stone is one thing, leaving Thorman in charge is disastrous, however nice a chap he may be.

Re: Anyone want stone back now? : Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:11 am  

jools wrote:

Yes we did- first home game in, we actually played with the team we’d trained with in pre season- without the pile more injuries we’ve had since then. We had all but Leroy, symonds and Wakeman from our first choice 17 in that saints game Leroy and symonds took no part in pre season anyway, and Wakeman only limited.
Since then we have had between 9 and 11 players on the treatment table every week (not the same 9-11 just to exacerbate the situation) and at least theee each week playing with injections
Or are you claiming that doesn’t make a difference?
Do you think that outcome would be the same had saints been without barba, swift, makinson, amor, lms, tai, peyroux, roby coming back from a three week concussion protocol having to play a full game oh and no second choice fullback or wing either so matty smith at fullback. What do you reckon?

A 62 point defeat. So are you still going to delude yourself you're seeing an 'improvement' under your interim coach or finally be honest and admit you were wrong all along and things are now far worse than under Stone?