WiganBurt wrote:
you are right i have, yet today i have also pointed out that the more recent dealings the club has performed have gone a long way to appeasing those concerns i had.
but before we carry on at no point did i say IL was up to no good, at no point did i say there was something untoward going on. my point since joing this board was that i felt the club had handled contracts poorly, giving out money left right and centre to those not deserving or those who ended up throwing it back in our faces. where is the element of something untoward there? all that means is that i think the contract negotiations and whoever controlled them was having a bloody mare!!
i also may have said he is probably lining his pockets but he is a business man, why wouldn't he be?! i dont even care if he is, as long as he is looking after the club in the process, which like i said he seems to be doing, of late at the very least.
so to answer your question, considering you've had the decency to at least communicate with me rather than argue the toos like some others on here, then B. but you cannot tell me how to run my life, i can do with it as i wish and feel how i feel. if i care about the wellfare of the club so be it. there's nothing wrong or untoward about that is there. i'm sure many of you all feel the same.
and surely as fans we have a right to know / ask about whats going on regarding the club, or do you expect us to go blindly into season ticket renewals, the purchase of god knows how many different forms of club gear and trips to AUS every year just presuming that everything will be all right?! i think you are being a little too nit-picky, thats all.
if you don't liek the fact that i obviously had / have concerns then fair enough, but don't expect me to change my views just because they don't agree with others please.
There are a couple of points I don't agree with in here but for purposes of not derailing/Arguing etc. Ill leave it at this.
Saying that you didn't say he was up to no good - And then saying he was Lining his own pockets - Is pretty much Tantamount to saying that he is up to no good and a bit of a contradiction, or at least that's what I would think a lot of people would assume your getting at.
At no point as anyone asked you to change your views - What they've asked for is supporting arguments/evidence for why you think things have been handled really badly and IMO a lot of what you perceive as things being handled badly are based on the opinions/statements of others who have quoted what so and so may be on and what contracts may or may not say and portraying it as FACT when None of us really know.
I personally believe a lot of people end up with a negative view of what is going on by taking what some people say as fact without there may being any supporting evidence etc.
My personal opinion (And this is coming from someone who has argued Face to Face with IFL on a couple of occasions).
He's totally revamped Wigan RLFC as a financial business and instead of being 1mans play thing and having the clubs future hanging by a thread if said person ever walked away - On top of that said person didn't want to play by the RFL rules.
I think what happened 2008 (I was at the Deanery Forum when he explained the financial situation/Players contracts situation he inherited) to around 2013 was fantastic.
Do I think it has stagnated - Yes
Do I think he could have acted quicker on certain things - Yes
Do I think some of the issue is Not Wigan RL Related (i.e. Salary cap - RFL incompetence - General Malaise of SL) - Yes
Do I also think though that some of the problem is the Wigan RLFC Fans themselves (RL Fans of other clubs also) - To an extent Yes (And I get the bit about we shouldn't just be Happy Clappers etc. we should have a voice).
If for example IFL ran it like a Business then he would have potentially shut it down as it's never going to constantly make profits - Yet some wanted to be treated like "Customers" and expect Guarantees and almost like SLA's to go with them - i.e. We will achieve "X" & we will win "X" etc. that go with being a "Business".
I just don't believe there are Guarantees, I don't "Expect" anything other than all the Employees/Staff/Players putting in their best every week.
Do I think in the main they do that - Yes Totally
Outside of that - We can only do what we do and control what we can control & I think were doing that pretty well - It's a bounce of the ball, a referees decision here and there and I for one want that to be how it is - If there were Guarantees it would be boring.
