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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:13 pm  
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If he'd called the ref/another player a woman what should the punishment be?

A trip to spec savers I would think
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:25 pm  
Seriously.....a public statement, AND spend some time working with the 6 percent of the UK population who are not heterosexual?

And all this, based on nothing more than supposition?

Have a word with yourself.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:55 pm  
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And all this, based on nothing more than supposition?.

I'd hardly call it supposition. I think it's pretty blatant.
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And all this, based on nothing more than supposition?.

I'd hardly call it supposition. I think it's pretty blatant.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:01 pm  
I think this puts the RFL in a slightly tricky position, assuming somebody has something more concrete than that video as evidence.

I'm not really a massive fan of treating match footage like CCTV, and I wonder how the complainant found it.

But, the bottom line is that it isn't language he should be using at all, and certainly not in public. The cameras are not hidden, so if he said it I couldn't bring myself to have much sympathy.

It is quite likely that he never even thought about any connotations, and it's a word that's crept into common vernacular in some circles (I used to play in a football team where it was bandied around a lot, and we had two gay players). But that used to be true of casual racism as well, and we wouldn't expect the RFL to turn a blind eye to that.

I suspect that there's some mileage to be had out of some education work here, and that might be more useful than a ban. Fine to be given to Stonewall or similar, some very public challenge to casual use of the word - which I bet a good half of SL players have in their insult bank.

All assuming there's some more substance to this than the Youtube video.

I am also assuming that the ref was content that it wasn't aimed in his direction, otherwise I would hope that the other F word being alleged would have been enough to get a red card.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:03 pm  
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Seriously.....a public statement, AND spend some time working with the 6 percent of the UK population who are not heterosexual?



Which source provided you with that stat?
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:10 pm  
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If he'd called the ref/another player a woman what should the punishment be?

Is Woman a slur which has been used to persecute a group of people?

N.igger, Faggot, Paki, Tranny, Woman. One of these words is different, one of these words is not the same.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:17 pm  
Well assuming the complaint wasn't raised by the ref (as surely he'd have sent him off if he did) then I take it's from some person/people who watched that clip.

Now not condoning the words used but call me cynical but I highly doubt those that complained are really bothered/disgusted by the language at all, they just want to see a rival team's star player get hit with a ban.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:21 pm  
Whilst I do not agree with abusive language, are we not taking this all a bit too far, its a mans game, played in an industrial environment by working class men, who may or may not be homophobic.

We are in an age, when you cannot say anything without offending somebody.

Live and let live, and move on, we cannot be all things to all men !!! or women !!! or dogs !!!
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:29 pm  
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Whilst I do not agree with abusive language, are we not taking this all a bit too far, its a mans game, played in an industrial environment by working class men, who may or may not be homophobic.

We are in an age, when you cannot say anything without offending somebody.

Live and let live, and move on, we cannot be all things to all men !!! or women !!! or dogs !!!

you can say almost anything you want without offending someone. You just can't say something offensive without offending someone.

Lets not pretend there is any excuse or mitigation in what Hardaker is alleged to have said. You wouldnt get away with it at work, nor would i and rightly so.
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Re: Zak in trouble? : Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:39 pm  
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I am also assuming that the ref was content that it wasn't aimed in his direction, otherwise I would hope that the other F word being alleged would have been enough to get a red card.

He may not have even heard it. On the Ask the Ref Twitter Q&A that does the rounds on a Tuesday one ref was asked about insults and he said they rarely hear anything. But that isn't the point. The point is whether he called the ref an effing fag, not whether the ref heard it or was happy about it.
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