Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:01 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote: it IS NOT a WIDELY USED RECREATIONAL DRUG 1.2 Key facts •Around 1 in 12 (8.2%) adults had taken an illicit drug (excluding mephedrone) in the last year, a fall compared with 2011/12 (8.9%). This equates to around 2.7 million people; •According to the 2012/13 CSEW, 2.6% of adults aged 16 to 59 had taken a Class A drug in the last year (equivalent to almost 850,000 people); •Cannabis was the most commonly used drug, with 6.4% of adults aged 16 to 59 using it in the last year; •The next most commonly used drugs in the last year were powder cocaine (1.9%) and ecstasy (1.3%). Along with cannabis, these were also the most used drugs in 2011/12; •For all adults, the use of mephedrone in the last year has fallen from 1.1% in 2011/12 to 0.5% in 2012/13; •Young adults (those aged 16 to 24) were more likely to have used drugs in the last year than older adults. However, the proportion of adults aged 16 to 24 taking any drug in the last year was 16.3%, down from 19.3% in 2011/12. from theDrug Misuse Findings 2011/1213 and your "reality" is still faulty! How many people was surveyed , you cant possible give figures like that unless every single person aged 16 and above have been surveyed in the uk

PCollinson1990 wrote: it IS NOT a WIDELY USED RECREATIONAL DRUG 1.2 Key facts •Around 1 in 12 (8.2%) adults had taken an illicit drug (excluding mephedrone) in the last year, a fall compared with 2011/12 (8.9%). This equates to around 2.7 million people; •According to the 2012/13 CSEW, 2.6% of adults aged 16 to 59 had taken a Class A drug in the last year (equivalent to almost 850,000 people); •Cannabis was the most commonly used drug, with 6.4% of adults aged 16 to 59 using it in the last year; •The next most commonly used drugs in the last year were powder cocaine (1.9%) and ecstasy (1.3%). Along with cannabis, these were also the most used drugs in 2011/12; •For all adults, the use of mephedrone in the last year has fallen from 1.1% in 2011/12 to 0.5% in 2012/13; •Young adults (those aged 16 to 24) were more likely to have used drugs in the last year than older adults. However, the proportion of adults aged 16 to 24 taking any drug in the last year was 16.3%, down from 19.3% in 2011/12. from theDrug Misuse Findings 2011/1213 and your "reality" is still faulty! How many people was surveyed , you cant possible give figures like that unless every single person aged 16 and above have been surveyed in the uk

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:40 am  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

How many people was surveyed , you cant possible give figures like that unless every single person aged 16 and above have been surveyed in the uk

Following that thinking you can never give statistics for anything.

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:14 pm  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

And in that case , he as serious problem , and banning him for 2 years and hanging him out to dry won't help. Does anyone actually believe Hardakers excellent form is down to cocaine use? Nobody is condoning it, hes an idiot, let his fans and team mates down badly, unforgivable, but imo needs rehabilitating not stringing up

He isn't being strung up. A 2 year ban is the (widely publicised) standard sentence for the offence, so it would be neither harsh nor lenient. Do you have such a touchy feely attitude towards people caught drink or drug driving? A (deserved) ban for them can be career ending or at least a severe setback and they will get a ban even if they have no previous criminal or anti social behaviour on their record.

Hardaker by contrast has shown himself to be a bit of a tool in the past so he can't really say its an aberration from previous saintly behaviour.

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:32 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Following that thinking you can never give statistics for anything.

quite right, its like the shampoo adverts ,98% of people agreed blah blah blah, then in small writing at the bottom, out 100 people surveyed ha

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:37 pm  

Erik the not red wrote:

He isn't being strung up. A 2 year ban is the (widely publicised) standard sentence for the offence, so it would be neither harsh nor lenient. Do you have such a touchy feely attitude towards people caught drink or drug driving? A (deserved) ban for them can be career ending or at least a severe setback and they will get a ban even if they have no previous criminal or anti social behaviour on their record.

Hardaker by contrast has shown himself to be a bit of a tool in the past so he can't really say its an aberration from previous saintly behaviour.

strung up might of been a bit strong.Its not a touchy feely attitude at all and hes deserves a punishment that fits the crime, same with comparisons you've made. He is a daft , but he ain't killed anyone or put anyone at risk , like a drink , drug driver would. Just my opinion, I don't think a 2 year bans fits the crime on this occasion

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:52 pm  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

strung up might of been a bit strong.Its not a touchy feely attitude at all and hes deserves a punishment that fits the crime, same with comparisons you've made. He is a daft , but he ain't killed anyone or put anyone at risk , like a drink , drug driver would. Just my opinion, I don't think a 2 year bans fits the crime on this occasion

Doesn't really matter though does it? He, as well as all RL players will know what the repercussions are from certain actions - whether that be drug use, steroids, betting on a game etc. He did it anyway, got caught & can expect a ban.

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:00 pm  

DGM wrote:

Doesn't really matter though does it? He, as well as all RL players will know what the repercussions are from certain actions - whether that be drug use, steroids, betting on a game etc. He did it anyway, got caught & can expect a ban.

No your right, it doesn't. Those dam rules are no good for a discussion forum, may as well not bother discussing anything . But I see your point . Close this dam thread

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:09 pm  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

No your right, it doesn't. Those dam rules are no good for a discussion forum, may as well not bother discussing anything . But I see your point . Close this dam thread

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Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:20 pm  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

How many people was surveyed , you cant possible give figures like that unless every single person aged 16 and above have been surveyed in the uk

Assuming there is no inherent bias in the sampling, and the number of people surveyed was sensible, it is widely accepted that you can.

Hardacker broke the rules, and the consequences are clear. However, for me drug use is mostly a health and wellbeing issue.

There are instances where it becomes an ethical issuse - performance enhancing use for example. But anti-drug arguments based on moralising are flawed and therefore often self-defeating, IMO. Many people have positive experiences with drugs, many others, or the same people at other times, have negative, sometimes life-ruining experiences.

Youngsters might in some cases be impressionable, but most are not stupid. If they're given or can access facts they can make informed decisions.

Re: Zak hardaker : Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:29 pm  

If found guilty just ban him for 2 years end of.