Re: Sickness from work : Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:07 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

I don't get your point directed at me? You think I am having a pop at LGO's and their treatment, then you are poles apart to what I think. I understand how big organisations work from top to bottom, there's so much shat it's unbelieveable and the ones to pay the price are usually those at the coal face. I can see the effect people's working environment and pay/holidays affects them directly not just at work but at home too.
So please direct your point to those who are lambasting the public sector worker..

You stated that what you had interpreted of her union rep's comments was an illustration of why "local government all over the country is in a hole".

I think you're "having a pop" at trade unions and blaming them (in part) for what is going on in local government – and I think this because that is exactly what you posted.

And thus I responded by posting some things that might actually be behind the problems in local government.

Re: Sickness from work : Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:34 am  

Yes I pointed out that the rep was rubbish and unprofessional, that doesn't go hand in hand with how I described public Sector hierachy effecting those at the coal face does it?
I've seen many reps who clearly didn't understand their jobs, nor how to deal with people properly, no better than the middle and senior management I was more directly having a poke at.
However if you have an agenda spit it out, I was clearly pointing out how poor management in PS is through the manager phoning her at work which was the main issue but crack on with your rant regarding how pee poor it is for the workforce because I already know. I've seen/heard and employed people who used to work for PS and they hated it because of the working conditions/environment.
If you think me pointing out that the rep here is part of the problem (which is clearly a hugely less effect than the hierachy as I explained originally) is a problem, tell me how it isn't?
Or do you agree with a union rep telling the person off sick due to an injury at work they might not lose their job because of it but they don't know and can't explain why??? Do you not think that because that is a small thing it is a tip of an ceberg in relation to the management senir staff problems that feed down to the workforce?

Actually, don't bother, you clearly can't, or don't want to grasp what I'm saying....
Good luck to the OP and t'other half, I hope it works out ok for you..

[Sadfish]

Re: Sickness from work : Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:49 am  

depends how you want to play it once you have received the formal warning in writing.

a ) Ask your manager to come round for a meeting, also get a union rep there too and sort it out straight away, citing employment laws etc.

b ) Put a counter claim in for the accident hoping 1 ) they drop the warnings 2 ) you at least get a pay out and they have to also drop the warnings.

c ) Don't do anything until they sack her and then put in a claim for unfair dismissal, sounds like an easy win for a payout but no job at the end of it.

Re: Sickness from work : Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:12 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

... However if you have an agenda spit it out ...

I don't have an "agenda" on this, although as a trade unionist (a strike-winning MoC, for the record) and someone who supports the public sector, there are plenty here who would say that I have a very left-wing "agenda".

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

I was clearly pointing out how poor management in PS is through the manager phoning her at work which was the main issue ...

Let's examine what you actually posted and that I responded to, shall we?

earlier, knockersbumpMKII wrote:

I don't understand how a union rep can say that at all, what exactly has your wife done aside from have the misfortune to have an accident at work? There is no way on this planet that I can see how she could lose her job, what a bell end I know he's the rep but that is as unforgiveable as the manager telling her over the phone she's getting a written warnijng, what's the matter with people FFS don't they have the brains they were born with..grrrrrr!
Whilst I know people want to cover their arses and union reps are well known for this but why say something like that when they should know full well how she would be feeling given the circumstances.
Tell her not to worry it's complete and utter b@ll@cks, I feel disgusted on your behalf.

it's just the tip of the iceberg I expect and there's little wonder local government all over the country is in the hole it is and staff so undermined and de-motivated..

So a massive rant about the rep; just about a mention of the rep being as bad as the manager – but all the ranting language is reserved for the rep and you being disgusted etc – and then: "there's little wonder local government all over the country is in the hole it is and staff so undermined and de-motivated".

The bulk of your rant is about the rep – and your conclusion is then read in that light.

In other words, you did not post, 'clearly' what you're now claiming you did.

Hutchie wrote:

Whats Malcolm Walker go to do with this ?

Your suggestion that cock-ups = local authorities. It is an illustration of someone in the private sector having 'a Ratner moment' (cocking up), although his attempt to blame local authorities and the NHS for the will probably be lapped up by some.

Re: Sickness from work : Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:48 pm  

In such a litigious society any employer worth it's salt would be enquiring about her health and asking is there anything they could do for her to avoid an accident chasing lawyer being on their back due to her injury occurring during work time. Not allowing her back to work on light duties may have something to do with insurance e.g. if she has a further accident due to her current temporary medical condition.

Re: Sickness from work : Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:58 pm  

Wonder who'll be doing Lizzies back to work interview and if she'll need a rep present.