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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:25 am  
Lord Elpers wrote:
No you are as wrong as some of the comments you posted on the other Mitchell thread. You too should buy a better paper. Not the Independent.

Is this some kind of quiz?
Which paper was it then?
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:29 am  
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Is this some kind of quiz?
Which paper was it then?
Seeing as he has apparently cleverly edited it is the answer none of them?
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:28 pm  
Lord Elpers wrote:
No you are as wrong as some of the comments you posted on the other Mitchell thread. You too should buy a better paper. Not the Independent.


So are you going to provide a link, I've already read the report that you quoted from but in order to avoid any copyright infringement issues its always the correct form to provide a link to the source of your quote.

On the other hand there's always the theory of a hundred monkeys sitting at a hundred typewriters etc etc.
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:45 pm  
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Really? Because I've read the story as carried by the online versions of The Independent, The Guardian, and The Telegraph and none of those three publications mention anything whatsoever about the involvement of Labour politicians.

Moreover, he fails to mention that the three West Midlands officers have been accused of exploiting media interest in the incident and not any involvement in fabricating evidence. There is not even a hint of any grand conspiracy.

In short, the OP is a fairly gross distortion of the facts.


Yes really. So your web based conclusions are correct then? It was the lead article on the front page of the Sunday Times.... but then you would have had to buy it to read it! There was "no distortion of the facts" and the word alleged was used more than once.

However you do not need to read now in the media about the Labour politicians sorry involvement to know what happened. Unless you were abroad, or deaf or perhaps a prejudiced Socialist you would be aware that the Labour front benches were baying for Mitchell's resignation with regular orchestrated sound bites on the TV news. No thought of not guilty until proven innocent, fairness or justice but rather like yourself and your leftwing chums. However I doubt that the Labour politicans were envolved with the police in a conspiracy, I think they were just being who they are ie: unbelieveable politicians

I have commented previously on the West Midlands police union (or Federation) not telling the truth in a TV statement with regard to what was said in their meeting with Mitchell. This could fairly be described as a fabrication. But fabricating evidence is not the only criteria that makes a conspiracy.

That there was a conspiracy has yet to be proven. But if two or more officers plotted in secret to commit a fraud (or other crime) then this could be regarded as a conspiracy. It may well be that there was some form of conspiracy between the onduty and offduty gate officers or it could just be a cover up to some bolshy police behaviour at the gate. My guess is the Police Federation alleged crime was just political opportunism and not part of any conspiracy.

But with 10 officers arrested it is yet another sorry episode for the police and our elected politicians once again failing to show any decent standards of behaviour. No one comes out well in this.
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:53 pm  
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However you do not need to read now in the media about the Labour politicians sorry involvement to know what happened. Unless you were abroad, or deaf or perhaps a prejudiced Socialist you would be aware that the Labour front benches were baying for Mitchell's resignation with regular orchestrated sound bites on the TV news. No thought of not guilty until proven innocent, fairness or justice but rather like yourself and your leftwing chums. However I doubt that the Labour politicans were envolved with the police in a conspiracy, I think they were just being who they are ie: unbelieveable politicians



You think that boorish, bullying behaviour is restricted to the opposition front benches ?

Here's the news - its not.
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:57 pm  
JerryChicken wrote:
So are you going to provide a link, I've already read the report that you quoted from but in order to avoid any copyright infringement issues its always the correct form to provide a link to the source of your quote.

On the other hand there's always the theory of a hundred monkeys sitting at a hundred typewriters etc etc.


I thought you would have known you have to buy the Sunday Times and have to subscribe to their web pages see link to article below.

If, as you say, you have read the ST report you will be able to confirm that my precis was accurate

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/new ... 234934.ece[url][/url]
JerryChicken wrote:
So are you going to provide a link, I've already read the report that you quoted from but in order to avoid any copyright infringement issues its always the correct form to provide a link to the source of your quote.

On the other hand there's always the theory of a hundred monkeys sitting at a hundred typewriters etc etc.


I thought you would have known you have to buy the Sunday Times and have to subscribe to their web pages see link to article below.

If, as you say, you have read the ST report you will be able to confirm that my precis was accurate

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/new ... 234934.ece[url][/url]
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:00 pm  
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:11 pm  
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You think that boorish, bullying behaviour is restricted to the opposition front benches ?

Here's the news - its not.



Your comment once again is not accurate. In the Mitchell case the unfair calls for his resignation without evidence came in the main from opposition front benches.

However you are right if you are referring to the boorish calls to find him guilty without thoughts of justice by so many posters on this forum.
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:21 pm  


Same subject but not the same report.


Same subject but not the same report.
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Re: Andrew Mitchell - Update : Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:21 pm  
Lord Elpers wrote:
Your comment once again is not accurate. In the Mitchell case the unfair calls for his resignation without evidence came in the main from opposition front benches.

However you are right if you are referring to the boorish calls to find him guilty without thoughts of justice by so many posters on this forum.



Nope, read my comment again.

Do you think that boorish bullying behaviour in the House of Commons is limited to the opposition benches ?
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