Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:25 am  

I believe Gideon is manipulating KJU's mind, creating this whole NK/USA situation just to try and detract from the budget. I wish they'd just stop threatening and actually DO something though, the news is relatively boring these days

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:28 am  

John_D wrote: I have equal concern for North Korea's nuclear capability and that of Castleford. You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy

John_D wrote: I have equal concern for North Korea's nuclear capability and that of Castleford. You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 am  

Dally wrote: Another possibility is that they will try to attack Japan with missiles and gamble (or maybe know?) that China would be supportive. That would be very dangerous. Never going to happen. I would bet any money that right now China is moving troops to their border with DPRK. They have a mutual defence pact with them, but the China that signed that treaty is a completely different thing to the China of today. If they're doing that at all they're doing it to: 1) A show of force to deter a first strike against DPRK. 2) A force to deal with any refugees 3) A force to deal with any contingencies This is not going to be a second Korean War. China was playing a short game then, which was to prevent the US establishing bases on its border. China is playing a long game now, and sanctioning a war against its major economic partners isn't going to put it in any kind of position to do that. They are getting rich from that long game. Their cities are now populated by a burgeoning middle class who will lose everything when China's trade with the rest of the world falls through the floor. There are entire generations who know only double digit growth year on year. Those are the seeds of major civil unrest, and they are not going to go down that road. All of this is under threat because of a yapping little dog that it was useful to keep in the back yard when Mao was consolidating power. It's a yapping little dog that produces billions in counterfeit Chinese currency and undermines its economy. It's a yapping little dog that has broken free of its leash but which the world continues to see as being fed raw meat by China. The only benefit of its continued existence to China is the prevention of foreign bases on its most important border. It very definitely does not want a proliferation of nuclear targets that close. Not when the actions of others determine whether the nukes are going to fly or not. Make no mistake, China would like to stop that thing from snapping at its ankles just as much as everyone else would. An attack of any significance by DPRK against any of Japan, ROK or the US in this climate means DPRK gets whacked. If something like this happens in the current climate the DPRK gets whacked. If the DPRK gets whacked then the RoK is now the whole Korean peninsula. China cannot prevent this without getting involved, and they cannot get involved without trashing everything they've been working towards since Nixon visited a little over forty years ago and everything they planned their entire economy and mode of living around working towards for the next forty years. What China wants is a DKRP that can be brought to heel. Look at this map. Look at what's 200 miles directly west of the border. See why it's the most important border? China is not going to fsck around with this. This is 2013. It's not 1950.

Dally wrote: Another possibility is that they will try to attack Japan with missiles and gamble (or maybe know?) that China would be supportive. That would be very dangerous. Never going to happen. I would bet any money that right now China is moving troops to their border with DPRK. They have a mutual defence pact with them, but the China that signed that treaty is a completely different thing to the China of today. If they're doing that at all they're doing it to: 1) A show of force to deter a first strike against DPRK. 2) A force to deal with any refugees 3) A force to deal with any contingencies This is not going to be a second Korean War. China was playing a short game then, which was to prevent the US establishing bases on its border. China is playing a long game now, and sanctioning a war against its major economic partners isn't going to put it in any kind of position to do that. They are getting rich from that long game. Their cities are now populated by a burgeoning middle class who will lose everything when China's trade with the rest of the world falls through the floor. There are entire generations who know only double digit growth year on year. Those are the seeds of major civil unrest, and they are not going to go down that road. All of this is under threat because of a yapping little dog that it was useful to keep in the back yard when Mao was consolidating power. It's a yapping little dog that produces billions in counterfeit Chinese currency and undermines its economy. It's a yapping little dog that has broken free of its leash but which the world continues to see as being fed raw meat by China. The only benefit of its continued existence to China is the prevention of foreign bases on its most important border. It very definitely does not want a proliferation of nuclear targets that close. Not when the actions of others determine whether the nukes are going to fly or not. Make no mistake, China would like to stop that thing from snapping at its ankles just as much as everyone else would. An attack of any significance by DPRK against any of Japan, ROK or the US in this climate means DPRK gets whacked. If something like this happens in the current climate the DPRK gets whacked. If the DPRK gets whacked then the RoK is now the whole Korean peninsula. China cannot prevent this without getting involved, and they cannot get involved without trashing everything they've been working towards since Nixon visited a little over forty years ago and everything they planned their entire economy and mode of living around working towards for the next forty years. What China wants is a DKRP that can be brought to heel. Look at this map. Look at what's 200 miles directly west of the border. See why it's the most important border? China is not going to fsck around with this. This is 2013. It's not 1950.

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:46 am  

Do a search on RIMPAC 2014. China just accepted an invitation from the US.

It's hard to imagine a bigger slap in the face to DPRK than that.

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:08 am  

Well, I for one believe that the North Koreans could hit the White House with one of their missiles. Given that their leader got (I think) eight holes-in-one on his first ever round of golf, this would be easy by comparison and he's clearly a damn good shot.

Plus, he has got a pair of binoculars.

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:10 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Plus, he has got a pair of binoculars.

Awesome

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:39 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Well, I for one believe that the North Koreans could hit the White House with one of their missiles. Given that their leader got (I think) eight holes-in-one on his first ever round of golf, this would be easy by comparison and he's clearly a damn good shot.

Wasn't that his dad?

[John_D]

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:39 am  

cod'ead wrote: You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy sigh The deterrent effect is clearly nonsense if other countries are so determined to acquire weapons (if you accept DPRK are even capable of doing so)

cod'ead wrote: You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy sigh The deterrent effect is clearly nonsense if other countries are so determined to acquire weapons (if you accept DPRK are even capable of doing so)

[John_D]

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:40 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Well, I for one believe that the North Koreans could hit the White House with one of their missiles. Given that their leader got (I think) eight holes-in-one on his first ever round of golf, this would be easy by comparison and he's clearly a damn good shot.

Plus, he has got a pair of binoculars.

And if Palin could see Russia from her house...

Re: North Korea : Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:04 am  

cod'ead wrote: You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy What a tool he is.

cod'ead wrote: You'd best have a word with this barmpot then Fighting lunacy with idiocy What a tool he is.