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Re: Payday loan companies : Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:24 am  
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Care to explain the link, if any, between date of incorporation and political patronage?


Was just trying to point out that successive governments, of any colour, have failed to legislate against these shysters.

I am sure you remember Shopacheck, and I'd bet £100 you own(ed) a shirt with their name on for more than one season.
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Re: Payday loan companies : Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:08 am  
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You got anything to back that up or is it yet more lefty hot air?


Ask Adrian Beecroft
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:01 pm  
The words to use who owns them would severely break the AUP. and Dennis nordans bleeping machine
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:11 pm  
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Ask Adrian Beecroft


Off the top of my head, wasn't it something like £250k to dine with the PM and then get to come up with a paper on policy proposals that certainly gained publicity?
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:16 pm  
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The words to use who owns them would severely break the AUP. and Dennis nordans bleeping machine


A few months ago, I did an interview with a debt counsellor, and her attitude was pretty much exactly that - which was sort of rather amusing, given that she had a very plummy voice.

She and her colleagues are increasingly seeing people get caught by these companies. And the people who get caught are NOT living lives of luxury, way above their means. Debt counsellor a go into huge detail about people's incomes and expenditure, and much of what they're seeing is a direct consequence of wages being depressed and the cost of living rising way beyond what the official inflation figures suggest.

It really is a disgrace.
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:34 pm  
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A few months ago, I did an interview with a debt counsellor, and her attitude was pretty much exactly that - which was sort of rather amusing, given that she had a very plummy voice.

She and her colleagues are increasingly seeing people get caught by these companies. And the people who get caught are NOT living lives of luxury, way above their means. Debt counsellor a go into huge detail about people's incomes and expenditure, and much of what they're seeing is a direct consequence of wages being depressed and the cost of living rising way beyond what the official inflation figures suggest.

It really is a disgrace.

Yep, plus long term expensive contracts for things like phones etc are very easy to sign up for with little to no checks on whether the person can afford it.
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:53 pm  
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Yep, plus long term expensive contracts for things like phones etc are very easy to sign up for with little to no checks on whether the person can afford it.


But there's also a point that, increasingly, people need these things – computers are another.

With an increasing amount of, say, jobs being only offered via the internet, people have to have access.

And similarly with phones – it's becoming difficult not to have a mobile. It's expected now as the norm.
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:35 pm  
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And similarly with phones – it's becoming difficult not to have a mobile. It's expected now as the norm.

Really? It hasn't been a problem for me. I don't think it is a case of need more a case of want for many.
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:24 pm  
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Really? It hasn't been a problem for me. I don't think it is a case of need more a case of want for many.


Have you tried job hunting without one or worked on a zero hour contract where an employer wants people in quickly when they need them?
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Re: Payday loan companies : Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:39 pm  
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But there's also a point that, increasingly, people need these things – computers are another.

With an increasing amount of, say, jobs being only offered via the internet, people have to have access.

And similarly with phones – it's becoming difficult not to have a mobile. It's expected now as the norm.

Oh I agree, a friend of mine is unemployed and he now HAS to use the new government Universal Jobmatch website to search for & apply for jobs or record what other activity he has done in terms of jobsearch. If he doesn't his benefits will be stopped. Not to mention, like BG points out employment agencies almost demand a mobile number. A phone line now is about £13-15 a month just for line rental nevermind actually paying for broadband. There are fairly cheap mobile deals out there though.
But my point was that people are attracted by the best, brightest and newest, all-singing, all-dancing new products like phones, or expensive products like broadband, SKY TV etc and all these things can be taken out in minutes online with no checks to see if the person can afford £50per month for 2 years for a new phone. Compared to even a small credit card which requires credit checks and income assessments. I know of people on JSA who have signed up for Sky TV and the newest mobile phones.
Whilst there is obviously responsibility upon the person to budget properly, that is (in my opinion) more difficult these days when everything is available (sometimes solely) by a monthly charge that seems fairly cheap but builds up over time.
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