Re: Ian Brady : Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:07 am  

''Oh, find me....find me, nothing more
We are on a sullen misty moor
We may be dead and we may be gone
But we will be, we will be, we will be, right by your side
Until the day you die
This is no easy ride
We will haunt you when you laugh
Yes, you could say we're a team
You might sleep
You might sleep
You might sleep
But you will never dream!
Oh, you might sleep
But you will never dream!
You might sleep
But you will never dream!''

[Durham Giant]

Re: Ian Brady : Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:42 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

So you argue that someone can be madder than Madam McMad, but unless their madness is treatable, they can't be sectioned, but must be left alone to go wherever their madness takes them?

Yes. it is called the LAW


The Mental Health Act provides that if a person has no mental disorder that requires treatment in hospital, and they fulfil the relevant legal criteria for discharge, then they should be returned to prison – provided the secretary of state for justice agrees.

Current research and policy from the Ministry of Justice, the Department of Health, and the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) on the detention of serious offenders suffering from severe personality disorders indicate that they should be detained in prison rather than in hospital.

He is diagnosed with a personality disorder.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Ian Brady : Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 am  

Andy Gilder wrote: It's an interesting position for him to take. Brady wants to starve himself to death. Arguably not the rational approach of any sane human being. If he attempts to do so in a mainstream prison I'm pretty sure they are duty bound to intervene, so he'll end up back in hospital again. . many people wish to die and often it is a very rationale, reasonable and sane decision to come to. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22506309

Andy Gilder wrote: It's an interesting position for him to take. Brady wants to starve himself to death. Arguably not the rational approach of any sane human being. If he attempts to do so in a mainstream prison I'm pretty sure they are duty bound to intervene, so he'll end up back in hospital again. . many people wish to die and often it is a very rationale, reasonable and sane decision to come to. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22506309

[Durham Giant]

Re: Ian Brady : Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 am  

funny how people who often have a liberal approach to issues seem to find that Brady is somehow exempt!

Re: Ian Brady : Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:42 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Yes. it is called the LAW

I see what you did there. You used big letters. Pretty impressive. the only trouble is, I asked you a question about whether a mad person can or can not be sectioned in the first place if they cannot be treated. Maybe you could actually answer that and not some other replacement question of your own.

Durham Giant wrote:

The Mental Health Act provides that if a person has no mental disorder that requires treatment in hospital, and they fulfil the relevant legal criteria for discharge, then they should be returned to prison – provided the secretary of state for justice agrees.

There are the holes in your bucket. Two of them, in fact. Just looking at what you put, you are yourself saying that therefore they should or might NOT be returned to prison if either:
(a) they DON'T fulfil the "relevant criteria for discharge; or
(b) the secretary of state for justice does NOT agree.

Durham Giant wrote:

Current research and policy from the Ministry of Justice, the Department of Health, and the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) on the detention of serious offenders suffering from severe personality disorders indicate that they should be detained in prison rather than in hospital.

He is diagnosed with a personality disorder.

I haven't seen his diagnosis, (have you?) but I'll be interested to see on what grounds his application is opposed, if it is (and if they are reported). But I really don't care where Brady is detained, just that he IS detained, somewhere, which will inevitably remain the case.

Re: Ian Brady : Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:24 pm  

If Doc Daneeka is on the panel, then he has no chance of being released.

Brady put himself in Catch 22