Re: Croatia Joins EU : Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:42 pm  

Dally wrote:

Think you've posted that on the wrong thread. This thread is talking about the economics of the EU.

Given that you brought immigration into the debate, it's a perfectly valid response.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:57 pm  

Dally wrote:

No you throw money at hopeless, peasant economies, create a bubble that bursts and then you have to pay all over again. Think Spain, Greece, Eire for starters.

If you extend that to Britain - look how wealthy those regions have got - so wealthy they no longer need public spending to keep them afloat.

You are obsessed with public spending aren't you ?

What on earth do you think taxes are for - if there was no need to spend or reserve money for public projects (anything), then there would be no need for taxation and no need for a government - having been "at the coal face" of what were actual coal face regions in the North East and later in South Yorkshire I can categorically state that without huge amounts of EU funding both regions would have dragged this country to its knees in welfare payments alone.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:32 pm  

Dally wrote:

Think you've posted that on the wrong thread. This thread is talking about the economics of the EU.

Gather round everyone, Dally's going to give us one of his economics lectures ... it's comedy time !!

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:01 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Yes Dally, we''ll be overrun.

Just like we were by the Poles, Ukranians and other accession country nationals all coming over here and claiming our benefits.

Why, I can barely walk down the street without being accosted by Romanian beggar children trying to pickpocket me.

Look out everyone, Dally's back in Chicken Licken mode again.

I feel the same as you do. There's so many of them in my country I feel like a foreigner ! Dally really is going way over the top now. Personally I have no problem with people coming here as it's nice to hear different languages being spoken and see all the shops that spring up and the women from the Eastern European nations really are stunners !!!

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:49 pm  

Did I miss the right-wing hysterics about Croatia joining? It seemed to be very quiet.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:01 am  

Don't worry Dally, the UK is finished, you have said it yourself a number of times. The Croatians certainly won't be migrating here, QE will probably put them off. What sort of returns will they get on their pensions if they come to the UK? They will probably be more worried about the forthcoming race war in Europe over multiculturalism than think about migrating here.

[John_D]

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:04 am  

Anything that helps erode the vain conceit of nationhood is fine by me.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:30 am  

John_D wrote:

Anything that helps erode the vain conceit of nationhood is fine by me.

It's quite interesting to note that, in the 19th century, the idea of nationhood was viewed in a generally progressive way.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:57 am  

John_D wrote:

Anything that helps erode the vain conceit of nationhood is fine by me.

Have you met Dally?
He's fighting tooth and nail to keep the dream alive.

Re: Croatia Joins EU : Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:57 am  

John_D wrote:

Anything that helps erode the vain conceit of nationhood is fine by me.

It's one of those words, like "race", which is pretty much meaningless but everyone thinks they know what it means.

Just about every land border has people either side of it who have as much in common with each other as those of each nation are supposed to have.
e.g. Alsace, Catalunya, Todmorden ...