Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:28 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I said racist people will feel justified in their racism. Which they clearly will.

I think that the main reason that the police won't have acted on the suspicions is because direct accusations weren't made to the police. I'm reading the report right now and it's outlining what she thinks happened. On one case a group of social workers held a presentation where they named the men involved in operating child prostitution and the houses where it happened. But no mention is actually made of passing on this information to the police.

I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, as convictions have been secured and a child was found murdered. But I am suggesting that the numbers are massively inflated.

I disagree - nobody could happy at what has happened regardless of their view on race. I would agree with you on the numbers they do seem extraordinarily high and nicely rounded!!.

The way the police have reacted would suggest they knew all along - the question is why did they not act!! Vice is a murky world and is to policing what insolvency is to accountancy.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:01 pm  

4.3 The Inquiry was given a list of 988 children known to children’s social care, or the Police. 51 were current cases and 937 historic. We read 66 case files in total.
4.4 We took a randomised sample of 19 current and 19 historic cases. In 95% of the files sampled, there was clear evidence that the child had been a victim of sexual exploitation. Only two children (5%) were at risk of being exploited rather than victims. From the random samples, we concluded that it was very probable that a high proportion of the 988 children were victims.
4.5 A further 28 case files were read. 22 were historic cases sampled from lists of suspected victims in police operations, including Central, Czar and Chard. Three were current cases brought to our attention during the course of the Inquiry, and three were historic cases of children who had been highlighted by national media. All 28 children were victims of sexual exploitation.
4.6 To help reach an overall estimate of the problem, we used reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board (formerly the ACPC) and Council committees. We examined minutes of the Sexual Exploitation Forum and minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed. These included inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation. We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.
4.7 Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.

So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:08 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.

As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.

It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group:

If we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.

We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:15 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.

It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group:

If we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.

We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.

It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community.

I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? Is this just about Sadism/Domination?

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:26 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community.

How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?

How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?

Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?

Sal Paradise wrote:

I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? ..

Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:09 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?

How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?

Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?

Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?

This is not about vigilantism this is about using influence to address an issue. The Pakistani community seems to be able to exert influence/control in some areas i.e. pre-arranged marriage and are prepared to take the law into their own hands in the most brutal way if they are disobeyed. If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:25 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention. According to Yasmin Alibhai Brown, perhaps not I ask them to think what they would feel if gangs of white men took out their girls, gave them presents, took them places, and then seduced, beat and passed them around. The men might say they were rescuing the girls from oppression, showing them a good time, saving them from a life of forced marriage and all that. What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?

Sal Paradise wrote: If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention. According to Yasmin Alibhai Brown, perhaps not I ask them to think what they would feel if gangs of white men took out their girls, gave them presents, took them places, and then seduced, beat and passed them around. The men might say they were rescuing the girls from oppression, showing them a good time, saving them from a life of forced marriage and all that. What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:41 pm  

Is this the vibrant multi-cultural Britain we keep getting told is so wonderful?

Rotherham will merely be the tip of the iceberg. I expect there will be a few more councils and police forces sweating it right now.

Political correctness has gone way too far. It's about time criminal offences were dealt with equally, whatever the perpetrators race or religion. Playing the race card should no longer be an option.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:23 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Is this the vibrant multi-cultural Britain we keep getting told is so wonderful?

A flawed concept which has allowed people to come here and set up their own little enclaves, sticking 2 fingers up at mainstream society.

Re: Rotherham : Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:59 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

A flawed concept which has allowed people to come here and set up their own little enclaves, sticking 2 fingers up at mainstream society.

Only to xenophobes and closet racists