Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:01 pm  

I don't think its and if I think its a known fact the like of diversity in the CIA was a major contributory factor to the success of 9/11

Success?
Not for the couple of thousand Yanks ground to dust or the tens of thousands of women and children who perished in the retributory crusade that followed.

I am under no illusion as to Boris' faults - as we all to Corbyn's - for all his faults we are damn site better of with Boris in charge than grandpa - come you let it out we know deep down what you really think.

Yup, it'd have to be Jezza over the Bullingdon boy every time for me.
I'm just a sucker for a bit of social equality everytime.
It's a pipe-dream but it doesn't stop the wanting.

[Mild Rover]

Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:51 pm  

Pencilling WIZEB and Sal in for the Plum team!

Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:53 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Pencilling WIZEB and Sal in for the Plum team!

Thanks.
I went to Damsonian College, Withernsea.

Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:18 pm  

Wouldn't the most logical manifesto simply repeat whatever Finland has in theirs? Finland is frequently identified as the happiest country in the world whereas typically the UK sits around 15th. I accept that the geography and population density etc are different but surely they must be doing something right that we can adopt.

[Mild Rover]

Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:35 pm  

silver2 wrote:

Wouldn't the most logical manifesto simply repeat whatever Finland has in theirs? Finland is frequently identified as the happiest country in the world whereas typically the UK sits around 15th. I accept that the geography and population density etc are different but surely they must be doing something right that we can adopt.

Coincidentally, given the bipartisan idea for this thread, the Finns generally have coalition governments - they use proportional representation and multi-seat constituencies.

[Mild Rover]

Re: New sides : Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:45 pm  

Here are a couple of my snowflake to gammon policy pitches for evaluation and criticism.

1. Scrap HS2 and spend the money saved on improving commuter services in the provinces. Apart from MPs and the like, how many people in the North travel regularly to London or need to more often? It feels like a London-centric solution to Northern issues to me.

2. Scrap direct government foreign aid. This’d appeal to the ‘charity begins at home’ crowd (not really charity then, is it? But never mind). It could be simultaneously sold to soft hearted liberals by noting it is often just a bribe, sometimes to corrupt regimes, to further foreign policy aims - but isn’t even very effective in doing that.

Re: New sides : Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:07 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

Here are a couple of my snowflake to gammon policy pitches for evaluation and criticism.

1. Scrap HS2 and spend the money saved on improving commuter services in the provinces. Apart from MPs and the like, how many people in the North travel regularly to London or need to more often? It feels like a London-centric solution to Northern issues to me.

2. Scrap direct government foreign aid. This’d appeal to the ‘charity begins at home’ crowd (not really charity then, is it? But never mind). It could be simultaneously sold to soft hearted liberals by noting it is often just a bribe, sometimes to corrupt regimes, to further foreign policy aims - but isn’t even very effective in doing that.

Have you ever tried to get the train from Leeds to London in a morning? There are a few more than the local MPs travelling. If you want to decentralise then you have to give the biggest city in the country swift access to the regions otherwise you will stifle it.

I agree with the second point.

My two points:
Revisit the NHS and what we want it to deliver - it cannot continue to be all things to all people all the time

Revisit the governing body - remove the house of lords - reduce the number of MPs by removing the Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs as they already have their own assembly

Re: New sides : Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:45 pm  

By having a genuine Northern powerhouse we could eliminate the need for much of the business travel between here and London - and even if theres still a demand surely that doesnt need to be a high speed link. We can still do work and communicate whilst on the train. HS2 is a vanity project, which to have made any sense should have connected directly to Eurotunnel.

[Mild Rover]

Re: New sides : Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:40 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Have you ever tried to get the train from Leeds to London in a morning? There are a few more than the local MPs travelling. If you want to decentralise then you have to give the biggest city in the country swift access to the regions otherwise you will stifle it.

I haven’t and I’m not saying it is easy. However, my guess is that more people suffer more often on local lines doing daily commutes - and it could be improved relatively cheaply. I’m taking inspiration from a Dispatches on Channel 4 from a few weeks ago. Fair though

Sal Paradise wrote:

I agree with the second point.

We’re off.

Sal Paradise wrote:

My two points:
Revisit the NHS and what we want it to deliver - it cannot continue to be all things to all people all the time

Revisit the governing body - remove the house of lords - reduce the number of MPs by removing the Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs as they already have their own assembly

For the NHS, moving away from comprehensive, universal and free at the point of delivery is a hard sell to snowflakes - and the wider public, I reckon. There’s always been a bit of wriggle around ‘comprehensive’ and even ‘free’. However, initially it looks like a right wing policy for the right wing choir. Happy to hear more if I’ve missed your point.

Your second point is more interesting to me. Are you imagining a looser federation or commonwealth of nations rather than the current Union? How much autonomy would the individual countries have? How would joint decisions be made? I’d suggest replacing the Lords, but yeah - constitutional reform works.

Re: New sides : Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:45 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I haven’t and I’m not saying it is easy. However, my guess is that more people suffer more often on local lines doing daily commutes - and it could be improved relatively cheaply. I’m taking inspiration from a Dispatches on Channel 4 from a few weeks ago. Fair though

We’re off.

For the NHS, moving away from comprehensive, universal and free at the point of delivery is a hard sell to snowflakes - and the wider public, I reckon. There’s always been a bit of wriggle around ‘comprehensive’ and even ‘free’. However, initially it looks like a right wing policy for the right wing choir. Happy to hear more if I’ve missed your point.

Your second point is more interesting to me. Are you imagining a looser federation or commonwealth of nations rather than the current Union? How much autonomy would the individual countries have? How would joint decisions be made? I’d suggest replacing the Lords, but yeah - constitutional reform works.

On the NHS - clinical/pharma excellence/progression is moving faster than the funds to support it - can we still expect the NHS to keep delivering as it is? Do we spend millions on cancer treatments for one person or millions doing cataracts for thousands of people etc.

On the second point - yes I am interested in a more Federal approach - were local issues are dealt with locally and Macro issues such as Fiscal policy is dealt with centrally