Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu May 27, 2021 6:38 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Says the bystander, too afraid to take part in the democratic process

That's the point in a democracy I have the right to vote or not ,totally indifferent to the brexit referendum ,are we better in or out ,I dont know but the result of the referendum had to be upheld, that's democracy for you

Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu May 27, 2021 7:42 am  

What do you get if you crossbreed JONNYGOON and our Steph?

Re: Wizened old socialists : Sun May 30, 2021 12:23 pm  

JONNYGIANT wrote:

That's the point in a democracy I have the right to vote or not ,totally indifferent to the brexit referendum ,are we better in or out ,I dont know but the result of the referendum had to be upheld, that's democracy for you

17.4m vote to leave the EU in 2016. Then only 13.9m vote to leave the SM and CU in 2019. So, why did we leave the SM and CU?

Re: Wizened old socialists : Mon May 31, 2021 8:02 am  

silver2 wrote:

17.4m vote to leave the EU in 2016. Then only 13.9m vote to leave the SM and CU in 2019. So, why did we leave the SM and CU?

No they didn't - the general election was voted on a number of issues and who the population thought was the best party to run the country - part of that was leaving the the EU - part of it was not nationalising everything, no free wi-fi and green policy that would bankrupt the country etc. but you knew it wasn't just about one issue - silly post really.

Re: Wizened old socialists : Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:19 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

No they didn't - the general election was voted on a number of issues and who the population thought was the best party to run the country - part of that was leaving the the EU - part of it was not nationalising everything, no free wi-fi and green policy that would bankrupt the country etc. but you knew it wasn't just about one issue - silly post really.

So, who did the missing 17.4 -13.9 = 3.5m vote for?
This was the "Get Brexit Done" election so if they still wanted Brexit done and believed that meant leaving the CU & SM, why would they vote for anyone other than the Tories?

Re: Wizened old socialists : Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:52 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

No they didn't - the general election was voted on a number of issues and who the population thought was the best party to run the country - part of that was leaving the the EU - part of it was not nationalising everything, no free wi-fi and green policy that would bankrupt the country etc. but you knew it wasn't just about one issue - silly post really.

It's amazing how things have panned out over the first year and a bit, isn't it.
The state has grown to a level not seen since the 2nd World War, The Railways have almost been re nationalised and if only everyone had decent access to broadband.?

We've ended up with something even more left wing than Corbyn, it's just a pity that we have Boris "lying" Johnson "running" the country.

It's going to be interesting to see whether he would prefer to rigidly stick to the 21st June end date for all covid restrictions.

Re: Wizened old socialists : Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:14 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It's amazing how things have panned out over the first year and a bit, isn't it.
The state has grown to a level not seen since the 2nd World War, The Railways have almost been re nationalised and if only everyone had decent access to broadband.?

We've ended up with something even more left wing than Corbyn, it's just a pity that we have Boris "lying" Johnson "running" the country.

It's going to be interesting to see whether he would prefer to rigidly stick to the 21st June end date for all covid restrictions.

Other than the trains what else has gone into public ownership - and the trains still have private companies running them. Did we nationalise the post office, the utilities, the broadband providers - did I miss something?

I agree with you I can't see all restrictions going 21st June - too many Sage scientists making a concerted effort to derail it - started about two weeks ago. They will say until everyone over 18 has had 2 jabs and the 3 weeks and then it will be it Autumn so we need to be really careful - deaths last two days 1 hospitalisation 900!! Could be next June - the removal of the Furlough will be critical - then the poop will really hit the fan.

Sadly far more people will die because of non-Covid illnesses than Covid itself - because these "experts" are purely focused on one issue to the exclusion of all others. Some balance is required.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Wizened old socialists : Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:56 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Sadly far more people will die because of non-Covid illnesses than Covid itself - because these "experts" are purely focused on one issue to the exclusion of all others. Some balance is required.

Just so I'm clear, are you saying that the net impact of further delay in lifting lockdown restrictions will be more deaths than if they were lifted on June 21st?

Re: Wizened old socialists : Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:34 pm  

JONNYGIANT wrote:

Your banter is tremendous, well done you

What?
An ageing sad old fart running around fondling young ladies charms and impregnating them is banter to your sort is it?

Re: Wizened old socialists : Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:33 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Just so I'm clear, are you saying that the net impact of further delay in lifting lockdown restrictions will be more deaths than if they were lifted on June 21st?

What I am saying is if we don't get back to normal deaths from other illnesses will dwarf that of Covid - we have 5m people waiting for elective surgery - how many of these will die because we are protecting the NHS from Covid? So yes there will be more deaths if we delay - not of Covid but deaths from Covid are so small - zero the other day surely we need to focus elsewhere?