Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:01 pm  

Standee wrote:

I know of fourth generation, yes FOURTH, council tenants where none have them have worked, ever. And all their kids "aspire" to is getting a Council house by breeding.

No you don't.

Unless you are applying a completely different definition of "generation" to the accepted average

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:50 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

No you don't.

Unless you are applying a completely different definition of "generation" to the accepted average

Pray tell what the accepted average is.

Because a quick search of Google has returned the following definitions, all which seem to mean different things:

Biological generation
Dynamic generation
Familial generation
Cultural generation, also known as a societal generation
Designated generation

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:03 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

Pray tell what the accepted average is.

Because a quick search of Google has returned the following definitions, all which seem to mean different things:

Biological generation
Dynamic generation
Familial generation
Cultural generation, also known as a societal generation
Designated generation

A generation is usually considered to be 20 years

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:31 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

If you have a job and 10 kids take out an insurance policy to cover yourself in case you fall on hard times.

Totally unviable, I've had quotes in the past, quotes that were made in "the good times", insurance when I was a director and offered "key man" insurance for the company if I was taken ill - hugely expensive for little more than an average wage remuneration and a ridiculous waiting period before any claim could be made, anyone who takes out such an insurance out of their own pocket would have to be mad or conned to do so.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:50 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Totally unviable, I've had quotes in the past, quotes that were made in "the good times", insurance when I was a director and offered "key man" insurance for the company if I was taken ill - hugely expensive for little more than an average wage remuneration and a ridiculous waiting period before any claim could be made, anyone who takes out such an insurance out of their own pocket would have to be mad or conned to do so.

Put some money away each year in an ISA. Rainy day fund.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:45 am  

[quote="Kosh"]I reckon vouchers are the way forward myself.[/quote]

Yes.
Standee's policy is the way forward.
All them shirkers down rhe pub every night gstting vexed and puffing away on cancer sticks at the doorway between pints.
Probably had a bet on every runner in the GRand Natiinal today as well.

Amazing what you can do with £53 a week nowadays it is.

I'd also push his voucher scheme one step further.
We need some mark of identification placed upon the unemployed, just so they can bw kept an eye upon!

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:54 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Put some money away each year in an ISA. Rainy day fund.

I think you're missing the point somewhat and unfortunately its also a point that many politicians miss and what causes "normal" people to believe that they are out of touch with reality - that is that there are millions of hard working parents who are on, or near to, the minimum wage and for whom working 40 hours a week means a gross income (BEFORE deductions) of £247 per week.

Even with just two children and a partner working part time a family on that level of income just does not have any spare cash at the end of EVERY week to put money into savings or expensive income protection insurance policies (and they are expensive, believe me) - to use your example if that family wanted to pay into a cash ISA and use their maximum tax free allowance each year they would have to find £110.76 PER WEEK in order to save £5760 "for a rainy day", that fund would provide the same level of income for the main breadwinner for 23 weeks if they were suddenly jobless (keeping the figures nice and simple without regard to interest rates or tax, NIS etc).

You simply cannot take £110 out of a pay packet of £247 EVERY week.

Of course that is where tax credits kick in, and housing benefits (if in rented accommodation, if not then tough) and without them most of the millions of families that I speak of would be destitute.

That is the reality even for small families and its far, far too easy for critics to point and sneer and spout garbage such as "don't have children then" or "cut out the beer, fags and bingo" or "benefit dependent culture" whereas in reality those critics, including members of parliament, have not the first idea of what life for millions of low waged is like and flipant replies like "Get an insurance policy" or "Put money in an ISA" show a level of ignorance that is staggering.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:56 am  

WIZEB wrote:

I'd also push his voucher scheme one step further.
We need some mark of identification placed upon the unemployed, just so they can bw kept an eye upon!

A yellow star, worn on the outer garments, by law - that would do it.

Divide and conquer, its worked before.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:08 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

A yellow star, worn on the outer garments, by law - that would do it.

Divide and conquer, its worked before.

Them six kids went up in smoke pretty easy.

Mmmm.
Now if it was only possible to add a few noughts on the end of that 6?

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:57 am  

Now and again the Daily Mail does come up with a good article and I could totally relate to THIS ARTICLE about the great welfare myth. Here is one of many brilliant quotes from this piece: Welfarism doesn’t only destroy individual pride and independence — it also eats away at social solidarity, the glue of local life, by encouraging people to become more reliant on the state than on their friends and neighbours. As everyone know's on here like many I've had bad experiences with the likes of BEST LTD, Remploy and now Ingeus. However the rare times I've gone to see neighbors of the community to see if they can help me off the dole it's been a much more positive experience and some even got me bits of work. The real evil in this welfare system is the big industry that has been built around it. This industry wasn't built to solve poverty but merely they to assist it and make a lot of money out of it. For example could you ever see Emma Harrison formerly of a4e aiming to make unemployment in this country extinct within her lifetime? NO because her companies are as dependent on the welfare state as the unemployed. Back to the original topic of this thread... What really irks me about the Daily Mail is that it uses extreme cases to bash those on benefits. Articles like the one above are rare but it still has it's flaws. The Daily Mail has done it's best to demonize those on benefits and the fact that this article doesn't acknowledge this ruins it for me. On the other hand The Daily Mail did a good job of ousting Emma Harrison for the vile person she is so I guess we can't have it both ways. Hopefully this is the start of some productive debates rather than mud slinging but I doubt it..

Now and again the Daily Mail does come up with a good article and I could totally relate to THIS ARTICLE about the great welfare myth. Here is one of many brilliant quotes from this piece: Welfarism doesn’t only destroy individual pride and independence — it also eats away at social solidarity, the glue of local life, by encouraging people to become more reliant on the state than on their friends and neighbours. As everyone know's on here like many I've had bad experiences with the likes of BEST LTD, Remploy and now Ingeus. However the rare times I've gone to see neighbors of the community to see if they can help me off the dole it's been a much more positive experience and some even got me bits of work. The real evil in this welfare system is the big industry that has been built around it. This industry wasn't built to solve poverty but merely they to assist it and make a lot of money out of it. For example could you ever see Emma Harrison formerly of a4e aiming to make unemployment in this country extinct within her lifetime? NO because her companies are as dependent on the welfare state as the unemployed. Back to the original topic of this thread... What really irks me about the Daily Mail is that it uses extreme cases to bash those on benefits. Articles like the one above are rare but it still has it's flaws. The Daily Mail has done it's best to demonize those on benefits and the fact that this article doesn't acknowledge this ruins it for me. On the other hand The Daily Mail did a good job of ousting Emma Harrison for the vile person she is so I guess we can't have it both ways. Hopefully this is the start of some productive debates rather than mud slinging but I doubt it..