Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:32 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark. I agree a racist absolutely wouldn't, if they do there's no point in being racist. There was never a massive anti immigration campaign by vote leave. The poster Mr Farage's poster was absolutely anti immigration and was in very poor taste, I was very surprised and I am not sure what his point was in using it as one of the reasons people voted to leave was F.O.M those poor people could not just walk into any country. therefore, with regards to Brexit was totally inappropriate and did him no justice what so ever, thankfully he wasn't part of the official leave campaign.

wrencat1873 wrote: Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark. I agree a racist absolutely wouldn't, if they do there's no point in being racist. There was never a massive anti immigration campaign by vote leave. The poster Mr Farage's poster was absolutely anti immigration and was in very poor taste, I was very surprised and I am not sure what his point was in using it as one of the reasons people voted to leave was F.O.M those poor people could not just walk into any country. therefore, with regards to Brexit was totally inappropriate and did him no justice what so ever, thankfully he wasn't part of the official leave campaign.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:54 pm  

Without doubt this prime minister and government are totally incompetent, greyling especially. If he worked in the private sector he would have been fired months ago. Unfortunately the Labour opposition are totally inept ,as sal rightly pointed out Labour are behind in the opinion polls trailing this shambolic shower. Regarding wasting public money .Let’s’s not forget the 10 billion smackers that Labour wasted on the nhs failed computer system. The deal may brought back from Brussels was a complete dogs dinner. Bizarrely it crudely offered both leavers and remainders some crumbs of comfort. Nobody due to the relative closeness of the vote will ever be happy. The EU whatever one thinks about them have been consistent ,in saying that if you want to remain in the customs you have to have the full EU package. Corbyns claim that he can strike a deal whilst leaving and remaining in the EU customs union are a blatant untruth. His only ambition is to bring down the government , the seeds for this unfolding disaster can be traced back to May calling a general election ,and losing a working majority. She should have resigned straight away. Since that day she has never had any control over her party. Having to bribe the DUP has come back to bite her. Having given them millions of pounds they didn’t have the decency to back her proposal.
Another referendum would be a disaster, can you imagine if the remain vote won by a narrow margin. The leave brigade would kick up a right stink. Going on from here nobody has a clue what the outcome will be. Mays deal however unpalatable should have been passed . It would have bought business and the country time to establish some sort of trading relationship.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:23 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Without doubt this prime minister and government are totally incompetent, greyling especially. If he worked in the private sector he would have been fired months ago. Unfortunately the Labour opposition are totally inept ,as sal rightly pointed out Labour are behind in the opinion polls trailing this shambolic shower. Regarding wasting public money .Let’s’s not forget the 10 billion smackers that Labour wasted on the nhs failed computer system. The deal may brought back from Brussels was a complete dogs dinner. Bizarrely it crudely offered both leavers and remainders some crumbs of comfort. Nobody due to the relative closeness of the vote will ever be happy. The EU whatever one thinks about them have been consistent ,in saying that if you want to remain in the customs you have to have the full EU package. Corbyns claim that he can strike a deal whilst leaving and remaining in the EU customs union are a blatant untruth. His only ambition is to bring down the government , the seeds for this unfolding disaster can be traced back to May calling a general election ,and losing a working majority. She should have resigned straight away. Since that day she has never had any control over her party. Having to bribe the DUP has come back to bite her. Having given them millions of pounds they didn’t have the decency to back her proposal.
Another referendum would be a disaster, can you imagine if the remain vote won by a narrow margin. The leave brigade would kick up a right stink. Going on from here nobody has a clue what the outcome will be. Mays deal however unpalatable should have been passed . It would have bought business and the country time to establish some sort of trading relationship.

I agree with what you say, it really shows how bad the whole crowd that are currently in the commons if Labour are still 8 points behind a totally shambolic government, they have all just been given a nice little pay rise to boot

If there were to be a G.E who on earth would i vote for as a leave voter

I'm not sure Mays deal was that bad ive only heard what the pundits and politicians want to tell us, I wish it would have got through last night myself, being someone who voted to leave I have kicked against another divisive referendum many times as undemocratic, however, I really can't see how else we would get ourselves out of this very embarrassing situation. The problem with our democracy Imo is our voting system and most people vote for a party rather than the individual who is representing that party.

If the MP's do vote to ask the EU if we can extend article 50 later this week which we will be doing, how much will this cost the tax payer.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:27 pm  

No deal voted down by 312 votes to 308 votes

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:28 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

No deal voted down by 312 votes to 308 votes

Wow that was closer than I though to be fair

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:40 pm  

It was close because it rules out a no deal completely (although, not legally binding). Apparently, the wording was amended.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:10 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

It was close because it rules out a no deal completely (although, not legally binding). Apparently, the wording was amended.

It Is ruling out no deal on 31st March not off the table completely I believe am I correct. I also believe that 4 cabinet ministers abstained. That was a close one.

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Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:28 pm  

POSTL wrote:

It Is ruling out no deal on 31st March not off the table completely I believe am I correct. I also believe that 4 cabinet ministers abstained. That was a close one.

May tabled a motion saying that parliament doesn’t want to leave without a deal at the end of March.

An amendment saying that parliament doesn’t want to leave without a deal at any point was passed by four votes.

The government disliked the amendment and so moved from allowing a free vote for Tory MPs on their original motion to whipping against the amended version. It then passed by 43 votes, which I think tells us everything about May’s level of authority. Some ministers defied the whip apparently, so normally their resignations would be demanded.

So the deal she negotiated has been resoundingly beaten twice, the will of parliament is against no deal, but that remains the legal default, there’s almost no time left to explore other options and the EU (or anyone of its other 27 member states) might well tell us to take a running jump when we request an extension.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:11 pm  

So we have now got to go cap in hand to the EU to give us an extension to article 50, which will be voted on tmrw.

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Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:14 pm  

15 months on, this looks prophetic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 99878f2058 As i’ve seen pointed out, you can only have 2 of the following 3: 1. Full Brexit with nothing more than a basic trade agreement 2. No internal border within the UK 3. No external border with the Republic of Ireland You can have any two, but not all three.

15 months on, this looks prophetic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 99878f2058 As i’ve seen pointed out, you can only have 2 of the following 3: 1. Full Brexit with nothing more than a basic trade agreement 2. No internal border within the UK 3. No external border with the Republic of Ireland You can have any two, but not all three.