Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:43 pm  

BobbyD wrote: No, though I suppose if MP's sued everyone who said something mean about them, they'd be permanently in or around courthouses. Still, I always find that whether someone sues or not is a sound way of determining whether someone is or isn't guilty of something. I can't see how that theory can ever be proved fallible. I wasn't aware that being a teenage tosspot – or even a teenage bigot, were that the case – were criminal offences and thus things to be "guilty" of. Possible use of cocaine, on the other hand ... And then there's using taxpayers' money to pay for a paddock ... scroungers, eh? Osborne flips mortgage etc.

BobbyD wrote: No, though I suppose if MP's sued everyone who said something mean about them, they'd be permanently in or around courthouses. Still, I always find that whether someone sues or not is a sound way of determining whether someone is or isn't guilty of something. I can't see how that theory can ever be proved fallible. I wasn't aware that being a teenage tosspot – or even a teenage bigot, were that the case – were criminal offences and thus things to be "guilty" of. Possible use of cocaine, on the other hand ... And then there's using taxpayers' money to pay for a paddock ... scroungers, eh? Osborne flips mortgage etc.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:53 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Possible use of cocaine, on the other hand ...

Some people will never learn. Ignorance really is bliss.

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:56 pm  

Ajw71 wrote: Some people will never learn. Ignorance really is bliss. No, you don't. And I said "possibly".

Ajw71 wrote: Some people will never learn. Ignorance really is bliss. No, you don't. And I said "possibly".

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:07 pm  

Mintball wrote: I wasn't aware that being a teenage tosspot – or even a teenage bigot, were that the case – were criminal offences and thus things to be "guilty" of. Possible use of cocaine, on the other hand ... And then there's using taxpayers' money to pay for a paddock ... scroungers, eh? Osborne flips mortgage etc. Would being overtly antisemitic not be a hate crime? Good job your new measure of justice would do away with, y'know, evidence! Jeffrey Archer sued some rag and won didn't he? How did that work out?

Mintball wrote: I wasn't aware that being a teenage tosspot – or even a teenage bigot, were that the case – were criminal offences and thus things to be "guilty" of. Possible use of cocaine, on the other hand ... And then there's using taxpayers' money to pay for a paddock ... scroungers, eh? Osborne flips mortgage etc. Would being overtly antisemitic not be a hate crime? Good job your new measure of justice would do away with, y'know, evidence! Jeffrey Archer sued some rag and won didn't he? How did that work out?

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:00 am  

BobbyD wrote:

Would being overtly antisemitic not be a hate crime? Good job your new measure of justice would do away with, y'know, evidence!

As I have explained, there are three possible reasons for his saying what Private Eye claimed he said (and which I have repeated here and previously). They are not all a sign of being anti-semitic.

Mind, assuming a teenager had said such a thing as has been reported, and that it was in a spirit of anti-semitism and not in any alternative manner, you're asking whether it would not be so "overtly antisemitic" as to "not be a hate crime"?

So PC, you're into the realms of Orwell.

BobbyD wrote:

Jeffrey Archer sued some rag and won didn't he? How did that work out?

In October 2002, Archer repaid the Daily Star the £500,000 damages he had received in 1987, as well as legal costs and interest of £1.3 million, after being found guilty of perjury in the original trial and sentenced to four years in prison.

Had you forgotten that bit?

Re: TONY BENN DEAD : Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:13 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Probably because he wasn't able to get his message across when he had the chance I imagine.

When was he prime minister?

Heard of Thatcherism yes? There is no 'Bennism'

Yeah, like Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, a failed ideology, an error from history.