[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:32 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

If we stay in our deal will only get worse especially if the EU continues to add countries who extract rather than input funds into the EU.

There are plenty of countries that prosper economically that are outside of the EU. I don't understand why with our current platform - yes we are in the EU - we cannot prosper also outside of the EU. Let's be honest the EU has to sell its product somewhere and we buy quite a lot. Not sure BMW/Mercedes are going to be easily able to replace our volumes elsewhere.

Not sure which countries are about to be invited into the EU? Turkey certainly isn't while Erdogan is imprisoning journalists/anyone he doesn't like. Even before he came along it was unlikely.

We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else and by being part of is manage to share costs for heaps of things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford on our own. The argument about buying cars from Germany has already fallen flat since those companies have already gone on record saying they don't want to jeopardise the single market. We'll just have to pay more for them.

Our current deal where we have a veto and rebate is pretty good. Better in fact than anyone else in it.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:40 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Not sure which countries are about to be invited into the EU? Turkey certainly isn't while Erdogan is imprisoning journalists/anyone he doesn't like. Even before he came along it was unlikely.

We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else and by being part of is manage to share costs for heaps of things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford on our own. The argument about buying cars from Germany has already fallen flat since those companies have already gone on record saying they don't want to jeopardise the single market. We'll just have to pay more for them.

Our current deal where we have a veto and rebate is pretty good. Better in fact than anyone else in it.

Agreed

It's also astonishing that the 27 EU nations managed to ratify the proposal in 40 minutes and yet "our" government is still in utter dissaray.

Assuming thet this doen't make it through parliament, do we then crash out with "no deal" and if so, what happens to the Irish border.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:34 am  

I think that Sheldon probably has it about right - since there is no way that the Maybot will call a GE anytime soon; she'd consign the Tories to opposition for years.

I don't necessarily support a People's Vote, but given that the Tories will cling to power like rats on a sinking ship, I think it's the only option we'll get once the HoC rejects the deal.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:44 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Agreed

It's also astonishing that the 27 EU nations managed to ratify the proposal in 40 minutes and yet "our" government is still in utter dissaray.

Assuming thet this doen't make it through parliament, do we then crash out with "no deal" and if so, what happens to the Irish border.

Its obvious - this is a great deal for one side and not the other.

The idea that we are tied in to the back stop unless we let the all of Europe into our waters to take our fish and we let the Spanish have Gibraltor - that is the reality.

We would be better off with no deal than the restrictions the EU will put on us to get out of the back stop

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:47 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Not sure which countries are about to be invited into the EU? Turkey certainly isn't while Erdogan is imprisoning journalists/anyone he doesn't like. Even before he came along it was unlikely.

We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else and by being part of is manage to share costs for heaps of things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford on our own. The argument about buying cars from Germany has already fallen flat since those companies have already gone on record saying they don't want to jeopardise the single market. We'll just have to pay more for them.

Our current deal where we have a veto and rebate is pretty good. Better in fact than anyone else in it.

Well done Margaret Thatcher.

What are these cost savings we couldn't achieve?

You argument is flawed as there are heaps of countries outside of the EU that mange to trade very happily with the EU why couldn't we?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Well done Margaret Thatcher.

What are these cost savings we couldn't achieve?

You argument is flawed as there are heaps of countries outside of the EU that mange to trade very happily with the EU why couldn't we?

It's quite clear that the EU will put its own interests first.
Of course they will still trade with the UK and the UK with them.
However, we will now become "competitors" and assuming that the current bill makes it through Parliament, how do you fancy our chances negotiating the actual "trade deal", are you starting to feel out numbered or small yet ?

We've already allowed the EU to lead us by the nose through the withdrawal agreement and to suddenly expect that we will get the better of them in the main event is just fantasy.

The reality will start to bite at some point when we finally see that Farage is indeed a self serving **** and his promises of a brighter future were just political rhetoric or FAKE NEWS.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:12 pm  

The EU may well need our armed forces sooner or later. The Russian bear is flexing his muscles. Hence the flash point the other day with Russian ships blocking access to Ukraine shipping. We have forces stationed in various European countries which were part of the soviet block.Russia makes no secret that they still regard them as part of the former Soviet Union Funny the snake oil salesmen macron or merkel never mentions our contribution to peace in that part of the world. Germany pays virtually nothing into nato, no doubt it will require nato to perform if the political situation deteriorates. Perhaps we should send a bill to Germany for all the money we paid to defend Germany during the Cold War.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:25 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Not sure which countries are about to be invited into the EU? Turkey certainly isn't while Erdogan is imprisoning journalists/anyone he doesn't like. Even before he came along it was unlikely.

We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else and by being part of is manage to share costs for heaps of things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to afford on our own. The argument about buying cars from Germany has already fallen flat since those companies have already gone on record saying they don't want to jeopardise the single market. We'll just have to pay more for them.

Our current deal where we have a veto and rebate is pretty good. Better in fact than anyone else in it.

Approximately seven countries are negotiating to join the EU. Albania is one of them, seeing what goes on in that country should be enough reason alone for us to leave the EU. This is why people voted to leave the EU it was a free trade block of countries. Absolutely fine and dandy ,but the clowns in Brussels decided to make the thing political. Also expanding at an unsustainable level.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:35 pm  

Backwardsman wrote:

Germany pays virtually nothing into nato,

Any evidence for that cobblers?

Germany & UK have recently announced a 'deepening relationship' on defence, irrespective of Brexit. Germany & Holland are currently developing advanced defence systems suitable for deployment to the Baltic.

Your ongoing anti-German diatribe is pathetic. Fortunately I don't know you, but I would put my mortgage on you being a typical gammon man.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:04 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Any evidence for that cobblers?

Germany & UK have recently announced a 'deepening relationship' on defence, irrespective of Brexit. Germany & Holland are currently developing advanced defence systems suitable for deployment to the Baltic.

Your ongoing anti-German diatribe is pathetic. Fortunately I don't know you, but I would put my mortgage on you being a typical gammon man.

Good grief I have certainly touched a raw nerve with you. I will debate with anyone on here in a respectful manner.so I won’t be trading insults with you. I am not In any way anti German, I used to work for a major German company overseas . Have many German friends also have traveled Germany extensively. The fact remains that due to the euro German exports have soared whilst countries such as Italy have struggled because they are locked into the euro which doesn’t suit the Italian economy.