Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:48 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Do you mean the Marshall plan? The UK got more than twice as much money in loans and grants as West Germany.

I suspect/speculate that West Germany and Japan benefitted more from (enforced) minimal military spending.

No, it was a third more, not double.

[Mild Rover]

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:57 pm  

IR80 wrote: No, it was a third more, not double. Aye, that is what it says in this article - fair enough. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mo ... l_01.shtml These use the approximately double estimate. https://www.marshallfoundation.org/libr ... countries/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/

IR80 wrote: No, it was a third more, not double. Aye, that is what it says in this article - fair enough. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mo ... l_01.shtml These use the approximately double estimate. https://www.marshallfoundation.org/libr ... countries/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:16 am  

Mild Rover wrote: Aye, that is what it says in this article - fair enough. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mo ... l_01.shtml These use the approximately double estimate. https://www.marshallfoundation.org/libr ... countries/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/ loads of conflicting views, https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/, anyway, way off topic. But it does begbthe question, what was it spent on, was more infrastructure in GB damaged than in West Germany, did the restriction in allowance of spending on military mean West Germany spent it "better", did Great Britain "squander" large amounts on joining the NATO club and aligning itself with the USA, a very interesting set of questions and probably worth a thread of its own.

Mild Rover wrote: Aye, that is what it says in this article - fair enough. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mo ... l_01.shtml These use the approximately double estimate. https://www.marshallfoundation.org/libr ... countries/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/ loads of conflicting views, https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/, anyway, way off topic. But it does begbthe question, what was it spent on, was more infrastructure in GB damaged than in West Germany, did the restriction in allowance of spending on military mean West Germany spent it "better", did Great Britain "squander" large amounts on joining the NATO club and aligning itself with the USA, a very interesting set of questions and probably worth a thread of its own.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:17 pm  

IR80 wrote:

But it does begbthe question, what was it spent on, was more infrastructure in GB damaged than in West Germany, did the restriction in allowance of spending on military mean West Germany spent it "better", did Great Britain "squander" large amounts on joining the NATO club and aligning itself with the USA, a very interesting set of questions and probably worth a thread of its own.

Seeing how Britain operates when there are large pots of cash and contracts floating around, I'd imagine there are generations of families who are still living the high life today from some of that money.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:55 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

Seeing how Britain operates when there are large pots of cash and contracts floating around, I'd imagine there are generations of families who are still living the high life today from some of that money.

I completely agree with that - I know of one company that has become huge on the back of buying MOD land after the war very cheap and developing it

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:20 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Seeing how Britain operates when there are large pots of cash and contracts floating around, I'd imagine there are generations of families who are still living the high life today from some of that money.

you seem to hate our country, why don't you go live somewhere else?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:24 pm  

IR80 wrote: loads of conflicting views, https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/, anyway, way off topic. But it does begbthe question, what was it spent on, was more infrastructure in GB damaged than in West Germany, did the restriction in allowance of spending on military mean West Germany spent it "better", did Great Britain "squander" large amounts on joining the NATO club and aligning itself with the USA, a very interesting set of questions and probably worth a thread of its own. I seem to remember reading that the UK aerospace industry was heavily subsidised by the US in the 1950s. As a result, we were able to develop the V bomber fleet, the Comet and a host of other cutting edge designs.

IR80 wrote: loads of conflicting views, https://fullfact.org/europe/kawczynski-marshall-plan/, anyway, way off topic. But it does begbthe question, what was it spent on, was more infrastructure in GB damaged than in West Germany, did the restriction in allowance of spending on military mean West Germany spent it "better", did Great Britain "squander" large amounts on joining the NATO club and aligning itself with the USA, a very interesting set of questions and probably worth a thread of its own. I seem to remember reading that the UK aerospace industry was heavily subsidised by the US in the 1950s. As a result, we were able to develop the V bomber fleet, the Comet and a host of other cutting edge designs.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:31 pm  

IR80 wrote:

you seem to hate our country, why don't you go live somewhere else?

Oh, here he is, Gordon Gekko and his 'greed is good' mantra.

I just like to question things as opposed to just accepting the crap I'm fed. Smart motorways is another one. Someone will have been making a fortune out of those, and now they're on hold due to safety issues! Any regular motorway user could have told you when they first started installing them that they were an accident waiting to happen. You can't implement constantly changing speed limits and eradicate the hard shoulder and not expect major issues. Surely even someone so capitalistically blinkered as you could have seen that?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:35 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

Oh, here he is, Gordon Gekko and his 'greed is good' mantra.

I just like to question things as opposed to just accepting the crap I'm fed. Smart motorways is another one. Someone will have been making a fortune out of those, and now they're on hold due to safety issues! Any regular motorway user could have told you when they first started installing them that they were an accident waiting to happen. You can't implement constantly changing speed limits and eradicate the hard shoulder and not expect major issues. Surely even someone so capitalistically blinkered as you could have seen that?

Its a trade off - hundreds of motorists queuing or use of the hard shoulder and the minimal risk of an accident - given how many vehicles use motorways how many accidents have there been with stranded vehicles - infinitesimal.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:45 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Its a trade off - hundreds of motorists queuing or use of the hard shoulder and the minimal risk of an accident - given how many vehicles use motorways how many accidents have there been with stranded vehicles - infinitesimal.

From a societal perspective the benefits . . . are probably worth a dead kid once a year.