Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:04 pm  

Don't know what the fuss is about really.
The majority of coppers I've encountered over the years are plebs.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:14 pm  

ZACH wrote:

So 120,000 to 130,000 coppers and to quote you "most are bent".
Oh the joys of the well educated ones with well reasoned arguments. Words sadly fail me.

What we have here is an MP who has sworn at police officers by his own admittance. That to me is contempt. They were simply carrying out orders.
We then have a situation were a third party police officer has seen fit for reasons only known to him to make political gain from it.
I am sure we will find out why sometime next year. Either with an IPCC statement or a court appearance.
I am curious in all this to know why West Midlands police federation became so involved in this matter. It had absolutely nothing to do with them. They don't directly represent Met officers yet got themselves tangled up in this sorry saga.

The bentest of the bent.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:59 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

:lol:

The bentest of the bent.

As long as Mitchell wasn't playing cards with his mates beforehand he'll be ok.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:04 pm  

JerryChicken wrote: As long as Mitchell wasn't playing cards with his mates beforehand he'll be ok. Yes, playing card residue can be very explosive. At least they always got their man (e) Even though it was usually the wrong one(s). http://www.innocent.org.uk/misc/wmidlands.html

JerryChicken wrote: As long as Mitchell wasn't playing cards with his mates beforehand he'll be ok. Yes, playing card residue can be very explosive. At least they always got their man (e) Even though it was usually the wrong one(s). http://www.innocent.org.uk/misc/wmidlands.html

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:23 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

So, the e mail, which we now know came from an off-duty copper posing as a member of the public, was sent BEFORE the police log was leaked. We now know that this person was not present at the time of the incident and that their e mail was a complete and utter falsehood.

The contents of this e mail are strikingly similar to the police log. Enough so to suggest that there was collusion between the authors. With this in mind, if coppers are going to lie about being at the scene, they would probably think nothing of fabricating what Mitchell (allegedly) said.

It's looking more and more like a fit up every day. The police have lost all credibility, and if this was a court case it would have been binned by now.

Why do you think it even comes close to suggest collusion between the authors? Would it not be much more likely that the police officer who has been arrested had seen the police log rather than been involved in writing it?

[Kosh]

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:18 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Why do you think it even comes close to suggest collusion between the authors? Would it not be much more likely that the police officer who has been arrested had seen the police log rather than been involved in writing it?

Of course it's far more likely. But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.

The lack of critical thinking ability displayed by a few on this thread is both laughable and depressing.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:59 pm  

Kosh wrote:

But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.

2 arrests made, dodgy CCTV and a team of 30 investigating what happened and somehow the people wanting truth and justice are the ones with 'an agenda' - baffling.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:15 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Of course it's far more likely. But that wouldn't fit the agenda of the poster in question.

The lack of critical thinking ability displayed by a few on this thread is both laughable and depressing.

To be fair, its probably not much worse than is normal on Rlfans when the police are subject to criticism.

[Kosh]

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:41 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

2 arrests made, dodgy CCTV and a team of 30 investigating what happened and somehow the people wanting truth and justice are the ones with 'an agenda' - baffling.

The second arrest has nothing to do with the original incident:

The arrest related to events that allegedly occurred last Friday.

He was arrested on suspicion of deliberately helping or encouraging an offence, though police would give no more details about the suspected offence.

So no conspiracy there. In fact no evidence whatsoever of any conspiracy anywhere. And the people harking on about police conspiracies aren't after 'truth and justice'. They're just desperate to score political points.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:20 am  

Kosh wrote:

The second arrest has nothing to do with the original incident:

So no conspiracy there. In fact no evidence whatsoever of any conspiracy anywhere. And the people harking on about police conspiracies aren't after 'truth and justice'. They're just desperate to score political points.

Oh excellent news. With your so obviously superior critical thinking skills maybe you can contact Scotland Yard and let them know not to bother with the thirty person investigation. I'm sure they will realise once it's you that's called, they don't need to bother with an investigation.

That was sarcasm by the way. Just in case you thought I was being serious.

A cabinet minister was involved in the incident. If you don't think it's going to get political you are on a different planet. Labour certainly made enough capital out of it. But I assume that's OK is it?