Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:52 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

Well, my name's not Gary for a start, so you've got ground to make up there.
Neither do I use the name Jerry Chicken ... although I do know the chap who does.

There's a gulf between idle people-watching (a pastime in which I've been known to indulge) and having specific candidates for observation (which, if I may say so, sounds a little strange).

Plus I'm definitely not called Danny.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:07 am  

Him wrote:

I don't particularly have a problem with the leafleting (though I suppose it depends what's in the leaflet) but protesting outside someone's house is too far in my opinion. And it's sad that some people in Unions go so far because it's a movement that I support in principle.

This.

Mind you, I'd need to read it in another newspaper before accepting it as the whole truth ... this is the Daily Mail we are talking about.
I recall during the "Winter of discontent", the Daily Mail printed a story about striking lorry drivers following a lorry along the motorway and, when it pulled into the services, dragging the strike-breaker from his cab and beating him up.
It was a complete and total lie, the incident was a robbery, nothing to do with the strike.
That's the Daily Mail for you.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:16 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We must agree to differ I would suspect that given both descriptions were started with a bullet point they are separate, if not they would be all under the same bullet point would you not agree? Of course you wouldn't!! I just picked one description from a million I could have chosen.

I suspect there isn't a person on here who could give a succinct definitive definition of Socialism - and that includes you and Mintball.

The bullet points just mean "Or ...".
The succinct definition given by the OED looks fine to me.

[DaveO]

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We must agree to differ I would suspect that given both descriptions were started with a bullet point they are separate, if not they would be all under the same bullet point would you not agree? Of course you wouldn't!! I just picked one description from a million I could have chosen.

No, you quoted part of one description (well one definition to be pedantic) because that suited your argument.

I suspect there isn't a person on here who could give a succinct definitive definition of Socialism - and that includes you and Mintball.

So why did you try?

The Oxford dictionary definition i.e. all of it, looks OK to me.

What I consider a key part of socialism is you take out of society in proportion to what you put in.

This is why I am happy to pay my taxes and have them spent on the welfare state even if I don't need to access much of it. However I do expect something back which is why I object to have to pay for things that used to be free e.g. University tuition fees. These days I see most ordinary people "putting in" as they can't avoid tax (not that they should) while the well off (and large corporations) do not "put in" in anything like the same proportion of their income and yet they remain largely unaffected by the cuts and increase in VAT etc.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:49 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

... Mind you, I'd need to read it in another newspaper before accepting it as the whole truth ... this is the Daily Mail we are talking about.
I recall during the "Winter of discontent", the Daily Mail printed a story about striking lorry drivers following a lorry along the motorway and, when it pulled into the services, dragging the strike-breaker from his cab and beating him up.
It was a complete and total lie, the incident was a robbery, nothing to do with the strike.
That's the Daily Mail for you.

It's also hilarious the Mail going on about 'bullying', when its own editor is a renowned bully whose editorial meetings are known as 'The Vagina Monologues' and who is, apparently a master at 'double c*nting'.

On the lies, I also know someone about whom they published some fairly serious untruths. I also know how long it took to get even a basic, brief, hidden-away correction.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:21 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Well, my name's not Gary for a start, so you've got ground to make up there.
Neither do I use the name Jerry Chicken ... mind you, I do know who does, and good company he is too although I haven't seen him in a couple of years.
I also know who Sal Paradise and Cod'ead are ... and they too are perfectly nice people to meet.

There's a gulf between idle people-watching (a pastime in which I've been known to indulge) and having specific candidates for observation (which, if I may say so, sounds a little strange).

Oh, and my original login name is El Barbudo.
I did have a brief period a few years back where I changed it to Peaseblossom, for no particular reason, but then changed it back which is why (if you look left at my avatar) you can see I show up as having registered 11 years ago.

I am not from Horsforth either ... and I take exception at being described as "respectable".

Peaseblossom. Not instantly recognisable, but a quick google of Shakespeare reveals ...." a minor fairy who waits on Titania, and serves Bottom."

He's a wag that Will Shakespeare.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:28 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Peaseblossom. Not instantly recognisable...

Not to you, maybe.
I thought it quite witty at the time and I had a signature paragraph on this very forum saying that I had changed my online name "to get in touch with my feminine side", I even had a picture of a delightful fairy as my avatar.

My feminine side wasn't called Gary either.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:48 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Not to you, maybe ...

Well I knew it straight away.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:58 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Not to you, maybe.
I thought it quite witty at the time and I had a signature paragraph on this very forum saying that I had changed my online name "to get in touch with my feminine side", I even had a picture of a delightful fairy as my avatar.

My feminine side wasn't called Gary either.

Ey up!
Backs against t'wall, we've got a bloody poofter on board.

Re: Unite and Grangemouth : Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:50 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

That's easily answered Gary. I enjoy people watching. Have you never sat outside in Leeds Centre and watched the World drift by.....observed the facial expressions and listened to the tones of their voices....seen the sometimes surprising gentleness contrast with the outwardly ugly visage.... the occasional act of civility?

Try it. Now perhaps you could offer up an explanation why you feel the bizzare need to log in and comment, not under your own original Log In name, but for example in this thread alone, we have had Jerry Chicken and El Barbundo. I can understand Danny doing it, that is simply Danny being Danny (HIM), but a respectable middle of the road chappy from Horsforth?

You would make an excellent candidate for observation.

LOLZ

You'd be rubbish at Cluedo.