Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:57 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Says your jaundiced straw polling?

You are probably the best argument against a comprehensive education system that I have come across.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:07 pm  

Cronus wrote:

The Tories will win the most seats as long as they don't decide this is a good time to roll out unpopular policies like they did in 2017, and as long as Corbyn carries on looking so ridiculous by being all shouty and fake happy smiley. He looked embarrassingly uncomfortable and out of character today.

The Brexit Party and UKIP should realise they're not going to achieve a no deal outcome and probably won't win any seats, and by contesting Tory seats and splitting the leave vote they are only increasing the likelihood of a second referendum. Their best move would be to stand aside and support Boris.

Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens can fight over the remain vote.

Not too sure how it will go but the signs are that the Tories are going to win most seats.

As for Labour et al fighting for the remain vote, think Boris could be in for a nasty surprise. From personnel experience, amongst my leave voting friends and relatives, very few can bring themselves to vote conservative.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:12 pm  

This will not be a Tory walk over it will be more contested than people think. Labour have policies that are attractive on the face of it - the idea that simply taxing the rich will support it all makes no sense. The biggest asset the Tories have is Corbyn - last election he was an unknown face and he was up against May who was by far the worst leader/campaigner the Tories have ever had. His impact will not be as positive as it was in 2017.

Labour's Brexit policy is also an issue - how can you agree to negotiate a deal and then campaign against it? It can never be a credible deal. They have consistently blocked Brexit which will not sit well.

The other issue I see for Labour is the number of prominent women - this is not a sexist comment - Abbott, Thornbury, Long-Bailey, Angela Eagle, Dawn Butler - these all come with baggage that will be exposed in an election run up. The less said about Jess Phillips the better

We haven't mentioned Anti-Semitism.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:35 pm  

Cronus wrote:

The Tories will win the most seats as long as they don't decide this is a good time to roll out unpopular policies like they did in 2017, and as long as Corbyn carries on looking so ridiculous by being all shouty and fake happy smiley. He looked embarrassingly uncomfortable and out of character today.

The Brexit Party and UKIP should realise they're not going to achieve a no deal outcome and probably won't win any seats, and by contesting Tory seats and splitting the leave vote they are only increasing the likelihood of a second referendum. Their best move would be to stand aside and support Boris.

Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens can fight over the remain vote.

Brexit Party will gain a number of seats in this election I would think. Down to the fact that Leave voters who vote Labour will switch to BP just to avoid voting Conservative. Especially in your South Yorkshire/North East seats.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:50 pm  

tomrhodes28 wrote:

Brexit Party will gain a number of seats in this election I would think. Down to the fact that Leave voters who vote Labour will switch to BP just to avoid voting Conservative. Especially in your South Yorkshire/North East seats.

I think the Brexit party could do well in the North - they have the same problem as Labour swop Corbyn for Farage.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:55 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think the Brexit party could do well in the North - they have the same problem as Labour swop Corbyn for Farage.

I think that Corbyn is the root of Labours problems but, I'd take Corbyn over Farage all day long.
Farage is nothing more than a self publicist but, plenty have been taken in by his rhetoric.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:55 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The other issue I see for Labour is the number of prominent women - this is not a sexist comment - Abbott, Thornbury, Long-Bailey, Angela Eagle, Dawn Butler - these all come with baggage that will be exposed in an election run up. The less said about Jess Phillips the better.

Of course it is sexist. If they were men you wouldn't be grouping them together for criticism. It is the very definition of sexism.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:04 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Of course it is sexist. If they were men you wouldn't be grouping them together for criticism. It is the very definition of sexism.

No its not - the women are very prominent in the Labour front bench and they will get a lot of air time - the only Tories you will see are Leadsom and Patel - the rest are men. You will see a lot more females in the spotlight from Labour than you will the Tories.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:17 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I think that Corbyn is the root of Labours problems but, I'd take Corbyn over Farage all day long.
Farage is nothing more than a self publicist but, plenty have been taken in by his rhetoric.

Completely agree - Corbyn is a dreamer - he dreams of the UK being predominantly public state where the socialist-elite lord it over the rest.

Re: General Election campaign : Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:27 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You will see a lot more females in the spotlight from Labour than you will the Tories.

So why is that an issue? Why is it not a bigger issue that the Tories are run by a privileged male, white elite?