My superior critical skills enable me not to see conspiracies where there is no evidence of any, and to realise that what's being investigated is (in one case) the conduct of a Police officer and (in the second) an unspecified offence that took place just a few days ago.


I always treat everything you post as a joke.


Where exactly have I suggested that it wouldn't get political?

The really fun thing about all of this is watching how Cameron handles the next few days and weeks.

Conservative governments have always courted the police, the Thatcher government were a prime example of bringing the police federation on board knowing that they would need them in times of civil unrest when their own brand of "economies" were put into place, and in turn, with individual exceptions noted, the police have always been supportive of whatever government has been in power, its that sort of service, very similar to the Armed Forces no matter what the individuals political thoughts they swear an oath to The Queen and her government and promise to follow her/their every instruction.

Its why you see police officers kettling demonstrators rather than joining them.

Now that the situation is festering with every new day, now that Mitchell and his not insignificant supporters, including the media who are hanging on his every new statement, have publically stated that they have no confidence in the Met Police Commissioner what will Cameron do ?

Does he follow Mitchells lead and use stronger words than the ones he used the other day when he suggested that the police MAY be culpable, dare he have a public row with the Metropolitan Police, dare he suggest that the armed police officers who stand at the end of his street shielding himself and his family from terrorism are corrupt and make up stories about his mates and colleagues in order to discredit them - will he employ a private security company to protect himself if he doesn't trust The Met?

Group 4 for instance ?

Good laugh these posh boys aren't they ?

Did you miss the last paragraph of the report you link to?

Clearly, at the time, yes.



Actually noticed that line later but could I be d going back and editing? No, instead I left it in the hope no-one would be so anal as to pick up on it.

Some hope that was!

What I am not understanding is why the CCTV footage is not being released - surely that would solve this once and for all?

Thats probably why the government won't release it, it will have the sanctimonious little scrote bang to rights.

Its how lawyers work, you only ever release evidence that supports your side of the story and then hope that the opposition don't have anything to counteract it, the opposition is quite entitled to keep their tinder dry until such a time as they can crush you with it.

I can't imagine that Cameron is happy with the situation or that he hasn't already demanded to see ALL of the evidence.

True, though I think the term 'pleb' is being kind to some of them....I'd say 'corrupt' and 'bent' fits quite a few...

Looks like Camoron was briefed long ago, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/plebgate-david-cameron-knew-andrew-mitchell-evidence-was-suspect-three-months-ago-8428041.htmlthree months ago in fact.[/url Seems like he had such faith in his Chief Whip that he sat on the evidence and let "nature" take its course

You just can't do that as a leader of a business though can you - if you have two parties at loggerheads with each other both telling stories completely at odds with each other AND you have sufficient cctv evidence (not those pathetic clips that are in the public domain) to absolutely beyond any doubt show what happened, then you get both party's to sit down in a meeting room and you lay everythign on the table and you thrash it out between you all, clear the air, make a decision as CEO and then get on with the important jobs.

He's desperately trying to stay out of this and his office is spoon feeding snippets to the press every day, the only ones who aren't making any comments at all are the Met and the Diplomatic Protection Squad - what the hell have they got up their sleeves ?

Sooner or later Cameron will have to stand up and get involved and bring things to a head, problem is that the time to do it quietly without any fuss or even a mention in the press (it didn't appear for days afterwards) is long gone and one or other of the chiefs heads will roll at the end of all this.

I would suggest the MPS and DPG have jack s... Up their sleeve. It's the Police Federation of the West Midlands Police who have taken this on board. The mets fed and the Met as a whole have said all they need to say on the matter. From what I have seen they dealt with it on the day. MP swears at them and its delt with there and then. Report goes in end of story. That's how it's been ALL along. Then ONE rogue officer (yes there are one or two in 30000+) tries to make political gain out of it. Why Mitchell only he would know. The WMP Fed take the story up and bingo we have a toxic mix in which no one wins. Least of all Mitchell who admits he swore at the police.
CCTV DOES NOT prove if he said pleb or not.

What some of you on here seem to think is that CCTV is conclusive. Generally speaking it proves nothing least of all when we are talking about speech as it does not pick up what was said.
If any of you can say for certain that Mitchelll didn't say pleb then you are far better than me.
Mitchell has gone because of his contempt for those protecting him simple as that.
Anything in relation to the copper arrested and the 23yr old has at this time nothing to do ith the DPG on duty at the time of the incident.