Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:09 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I understand perfectly well how it works - if it reduces transmission then surely that is a benefit to us all - the major thrust of the vaccine is to reduce the incidences of the virus - otherwise cases remain at current levels but fewer people die or have serious illness.

If that is the case then why have the numbers in Israel dropped off a cliff if the vaccine doesn't suppress transmission?

As yet, there is no proof that the vaccine reduces transmission.
However, if, after having the vaccine, "nobody" get's ill then there will be massively fewer hospitalizations and deaths, which will be a massive "win".

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:30 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

As yet, there is no proof that the vaccine reduces transmission.
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Early studies indicate drastic reduction in transmission by single dose of Oxford vaccine. The Israeli study claims to show huge reduction in transmission after Pfizer vaccine but as yet they have not released data for review. They are highly advanced in their rollout and have the best data in the world on effectiveness. The more data that's gathered the more we will see how the vaccines reduce transmission. And they will.
The Novovax vaccine looks to be the best of them all, in monkey trials the virus didn't even establish itself in the upper airway after dosing. If it can't establish and replicate in the upper airway then it can't spread from one person to another. The vaccine in trials had a very high efficacy. I can see this vaccine being a "second" vaccine that we all get eventually.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:45 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

As yet, there is no proof that the vaccine reduces transmission.
However, if, after having the vaccine, "nobody" get's ill then there will be massively fewer hospitalizations and deaths, which will be a massive "win".

As has been indicated above - clear evidence of transmission reduction - perhaps it is you that doesn't understand how vaccines work!!

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:12 am  

DHM wrote:

Early studies indicate drastic reduction in transmission by single dose of Oxford vaccine. The Israeli study claims to show huge reduction in transmission after Pfizer vaccine but as yet they have not released data for review. They are highly advanced in their rollout and have the best data in the world on effectiveness. The more data that's gathered the more we will see how the vaccines reduce transmission. And they will.
The Novovax vaccine looks to be the best of them all, in monkey trials the virus didn't even establish itself in the upper airway after dosing. If it can't establish and replicate in the upper airway then it can't spread from one person to another. The vaccine in trials had a very high efficacy. I can see this vaccine being a "second" vaccine that we all get eventually.

Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:26 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.

Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:28 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.

Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:59 am  

Steph Curry wrote:

Lmao. Plenty of experts are claiming it with studies to back it up. But don’t let that get in the way of another rant at Boris Johnson. You are so obsessed it’s embarassing and unnerving. You are nearly as obsessed with Boris as you are with me

YOU talk of "embarrassing"

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Interesting that you are so sure about the reduction in transmission after having had the vaccine.
Certainly, our own "experts", although always cautious, are not suggesting this just yet ?

As always, there are a myriad of different opinions as to transmission and it therefore becomes a case of who you should believe.

I hope that you are right but, would have expected that our "experts" and then, of course, Bojo, would be shouting this from the rooftops and as yet, they're not.

The numbers speak for themselves - nobody could argue that the lockdown has become more severe to drive down transmission. If anything lockdown is weakened since Christmas.

Johnson has got so much wrong he will now be over cautious if anything. Even Hancock yesterday said the rates have plummeted - the only thing that has changed is the vaccine roll out. Even Stevie Wonder can see that, you know it too but your never going to admit on here

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:31 am  

Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:52 am  

Willzay wrote:

Speaking of Hancock, is he going to be moving into new accommodation under Her Majesty’s pleasure any time soon? Considering he, you know, broke the law.

The Tory ethos of taking personal responsibility is only applicable to the poor and powerless and their political opponents.