Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:48 pm  

Rob from Erith wrote:

The Tories certainly did their best to ditch the concept of the apprenticeship in the 80s. Presumably because most of the industries where youngsters traditionally took apprenticeships were pretty much shut down.
My own personal opinion is that as a group, the young tend not to vote in the numbers of say pensioners.
So presumably that is why in the past 7 years the Tories have done away with EMA, trebled university tuition fees etc.. ie all policies that have been to the detriment of young ( potential) voters.
If you don't bother voting you suffer the consequences, sadly.

And the very same reason Blair kept increasing benefits - his core vote

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:18 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

And the very same reason Blair kept increasing benefits - his core vote

Fake news. He spent the extra welfare budget in surestart centres etc and took more people out of poverty.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:28 pm  

Rob from Erith wrote:

The Tories certainly did their best to ditch the concept of the apprenticeship in the 80s. Presumably because most of the industries where youngsters traditionally took apprenticeships were pretty much shut down.
My own personal opinion is that as a group, the young tend not to vote in the numbers of say pensioners.
So presumably that is why in the past 7 years the Tories have done away with EMA, trebled university tuition fees etc.. ie all policies that have been to the detriment of young ( potential) voters.
If you don't bother voting you suffer the consequences, sadly.

You're absolutely right - the Tories have traditionally appealed to the old because they're the ones who get out and vote; which is why it's even more bizarre that in this election campaign, they turned against them at the last minute with dementia tax, refusal to guarantee the triple lock and the means testing of winter fuel allowance. Arrogance?

Meanwhile, it does appear, at least in my particular echo chamber, that Corbyn has galvanised the young; it would be a really positive outcome if they turn out in bigger numbers - and he makes good on his promise to lower the voting age to 16 - that would force politicians of all stripes to engage with a very different demographic.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:26 am  

You're absolutely right - the Tories have traditionally appealed to the old because they're the ones who get out and vote; which is why it's even more bizarre that in this election campaign, they turned against them at the last minute with dementia tax, refusal to guarantee the triple lock and the means testing of winter fuel allowance. Arrogance?

Arrogance or a realisation that future spending/investment needs to be paid for and that should ride above political manoeuvring. Thats brave politics not the appeasing 'hope' that Jezza comes out with.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:37 am  

Apparently over three thousand people are on the security forces watch list. Perhaps it's me being too simplistic but any of this scum who has no British passport should be deported immediately.
Unfortunately the current human rights act forbids that. Jezza is in complete agreement with this act. If he wins power ,he has no plans in place to change anything with this act.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:53 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

Fake news. He spent the extra welfare budget in surestart centres etc and took more people out of poverty.

By increasing their benefits - welfare spending in the last 10 years of the Labour government increased by 45% in real terms - housing benefit alone increased by 9bn during this time. These are facts.

[Bullseye]

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:28 am  

Most of the welfare budget goes on old age pensions.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:57 am  

Backwoodsman wrote: Unfortunately the current human rights act forbids that. Fake news; take it from a man who knows.

Backwoodsman wrote: Unfortunately the current human rights act forbids that. Fake news; take it from a man who knows.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:59 am  

Bullseye wrote: Most of the welfare budget goes on old age pensions. Correct.

Bullseye wrote: Most of the welfare budget goes on old age pensions. Correct.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:04 am  

bren2k wrote: Fake news; take it from a man who knows. I think Backwardsman is talking about deporting people for thoughts.

bren2k wrote: Fake news; take it from a man who knows. I think Backwardsman is talking about deporting people for thoughts.