Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:17 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Interesting development - the Tories wheel out their grandstanding AG to yell at the opposition benches like a low-rent Brian Blessed in an am-dram production, defending the fact that he has put his party in contempt of Parliament by refusing to publish the full version of his legal advice, because it's "not in the public interest." A cross-party group responds by tabling a motion of contempt, and the speaker grants it time - so the Tories use parliamentary jiggery-pokery to have it kicked into the long grass.

This is desperate stuff - and for a party who claimed to want to take back sovereignty of the HoP, they're doing a pretty good job of riding roughshod over its powers in a desperate attempt to cling on to office.

Meanwhile, Ministers have been briefed to visit foodbanks, and duly do so over the weekend, posing for pictures like ghoulish trophy hunters and using copy/pasted 'approved' text to publicise their support for a societal ill that their own policies created. We really are living in the most turgid political period in living memory - I'm embarrassed to be part of it.

In what way are you part of it? If as a by bystander then either emigrate or try to do something about it.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:53 pm  

So for the first time in history this government are in contempt of parliament, what a sorry state of affairs for our democracy!

What I found equally baffling was there was a female M.P. on the opposition benches nursing a toddler, is that a thing?

Anyhow, I still have a sneaky feeling May's deal will get through eventually, leaving everyone unhappy - oh the joy.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:57 pm  

I voted to leave the EU, however I've now changed my mind. I think the EU and our country is in need of major reforms, and Brexit was an opportunity to to deliver that change on both fronts, but instead of approaching this as an opportunity, all involved have approached this whole thing as a damage limitation exercise where we end up with a deal where even the people who negotiated it don't want it. The EU have shown themselves to be the greedy bullies that they always have been, and our government have shown themselves to be the bumbling baffoons they've always, and our democracy has become a shambles, and our government has become a diplomatic laughing stock.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:40 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

The EU have shown themselves to be the greedy bullies that they always have been.

In other words excellent negotiators, imagine what USA and the other countries will do to us when they realise we’re desperate.

Chlorinated chicken anyone?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:42 pm  

Dally wrote:

In what way are you part of it? If as a by bystander then either emigrate or try to do something about it.

Come on, we are all "part of it" by electing a government on the "austerity ticket".
We may not all have voted for the Tories but, within a democracy "we" are all responsible for it.

Would decent people emigrating help the situation or, reduce the need for food banks ? NO

We should all be equally embarrased and ashamed that there has been such an increase in the need for people to have to use food banks.

The rolling out of Universal Credit an its shocking implementation of this system is downright appalling and to ask people with very little money to manage on ZERO income for 6,8,10 weeks is a fecking disgrace and WE should all be appalled.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:53 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

In other words excellent negotiators, imagine what USA and the other countries will do to us when they realise we’re desperate.

Chlorinated chicken anyone?

Well, according to Greece, 'nobody negotiates with the EU'

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:20 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Well, according to Greece, 'nobody negotiates with the EU'

Who’d be stupided enough to try and negotiate from weakness...

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:26 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Come on, we are all "part of it" by electing a government on the "austerity ticket".
We may not all have voted for the Tories but, within a democracy "we" are all responsible for it.

Would decent people emigrating help the situation or, reduce the need for food banks ? NO

We should all be equally embarrased and ashamed that there has been such an increase in the need for people to have to use food banks.

The rolling out of Universal Credit an its shocking implementation of this system is downright appalling and to ask people with very little money to manage on ZERO income for 6,8,10 weeks is a fecking disgrace and WE should all be appalled.

Well take to the streets of London and protest. Nothing freaks the establishment like a large scale, unruly demo. Macron has caved in in France. Maggie caved in over poll tax.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:31 am  

Dally wrote:

Well take to the streets of London and protest. Nothing freaks the establishment like a large scale, unruly demo. Macron has caved in in France. Maggie caved in over poll tax.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), there are only a few thousand people affected by the Universal Credit roll out, therefore, there are unlikely to be mass protests but, that doesn't make it right.

The poll tax affected pretty much everyone (although a few were in fact better off) can you spot the difference.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:08 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

I voted to leave the EU, however I've now changed my mind. I think the EU and our country is in need of major reforms, and Brexit was an opportunity to to deliver that change on both fronts, but instead of approaching this as an opportunity, all involved have approached this whole thing as a damage limitation exercise where we end up with a deal where even the people who negotiated it don't want it. The EU have shown themselves to be the greedy bullies that they always have been, and our government have shown themselves to be the bumbling baffoons they've always, and our democracy has become a shambles, and our government has become a diplomatic laughing stock.

its a shame you feel that now that you think we'd be better now staying in the EU because you've just given the reason to leave, I voted to leave simply because I want our country to be self governing and where the leader is accountable rather than employed and can not be removed, your right in saying the EU have become greedy the sooner we are out the better so we can rebuild

if there is another referendum it will question the democratic vote simple as and any political decision will be arguably questionable until the mob gets its way, we will might as well be state run