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Why would he call himself a prat?


It could happen, in a rare if unexpected moment of insight and self-awareness...
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It could happen, in a rare if unexpected moment of insight and self-awareness...

Like you calling yourself mad?
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For less than half the cost of the Olympic games to the nation a tidal barrage over the Severn Estuary could have built giving the UK 7% of its daily electricity needs for the next 120+ years.
Gordon Brown and his cronies dismissed the idea despite the huge subsidies given to non UK companies to help them make profits and little of it being taxed.
The next lot with their back handers from the wind companies are no fecking better.

Basically were are fcuked ernergy wise in this country and at the mercy of companies who cannot and will not be tempered by the toothless OFGEM with regard to pricing.
Windfarms are really inefficient, the turbines last around 20 years max and given the 100% subsidy for onshore/200% offshore the companies are laughing all the way to the bank never mind the landowners who have them.
Jobs are being lost and despite the 'green' energy cry the money would be better spent elsewhere to reduce CO2 SOX NOX emissions. On top of that people are being effected health wise when near to the turbines.

An example below re the inefficiency/costs:
North Kent coast, the operator, Vattenfall, said that its capacity was 300 megawatts.
Its measured output has been an average of 80 megawatts.
This is one tenth of that of a typical gas-fired power station.
The turbines cost 780 million to build. They will receive subsidies of 60 million per year (for the next 20 years) and will receive 30-40 million for the electricity they produce.
For that amount of money, you could build a new gas fired power station which would give 1000 megawatts of power, continuously, 24 hours a day.
The wind power is therefore about 12 times the price.
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cod'ead wrote:
Where does it say they break down or freeze up? A turbine's efficiency is reduced in periods of hot or cold weather simply because those usually coincide with periods of high pressure: i.e. when winds don't blow


FROZEN and yes, wind is an essential part of the equation in getting some uneconomic electricity out of a wind powered turbine.....

Who would have thought that?

Apart from the visual intrusion on the landscape, NOISE is another of their disadvantages. Even the NATIONAL TRUST has seen the fallacy of supporting them. And the COSTS would have even the most fanatical crustie choking on his muesili.
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Where does it say they break down or freeze up? A turbine's efficiency is reduced in periods of hot or cold weather simply because those usually coincide with periods of high pressure: i.e. when winds don't blow


FROZEN and yes, wind is an essential part of the equation in getting some uneconomic electricity out of a wind powered turbine.....

Who would have thought that?

Apart from the visual intrusion on the landscape, NOISE is another of their disadvantages. Even the NATIONAL TRUST has seen the fallacy of supporting them. And the COSTS would have even the most fanatical crustie choking on his muesili.
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For less than half the cost of the Olympic games to the nation a tidal barrage over the Severn Estuary could have built giving the UK 7% of its daily electricity needs for the next 120+ years.
Gordon Brown and his cronies dismissed the idea despite the huge subsidies given to non UK companies to help them make profits and little of it being taxed.
The next lot with their back handers from the wind companies are no fecking better.



If I remember from that scheme there was a huge concern about the effect of a Severn barrage on the wildlife that inhabits the tidal shoreline (a huge tidal shoreline) as that shoreline would disappear for much longer periods of time, basically the tides above the barrage could be almost man-made rather than natural.

I'm all in favour by the way, I saw the one at St Malo when I was a kid in the 1970s, its still working.
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A research paper also concluded that the water in the Severn would have been much clearer with bacteria killed off quicker increasing the amount of river life. Whilst concerns regarding the shoreline, a couple of papers suggested this wouldn't be as bad as some made out and could in fact benefit in places more than previous.
Still governments from all parties are happy to leave joe public hanging in the wind (pardon the pun) and care not a jot about the massive increase in energy costs that put tens of thousands more people in energy poverty year on year.
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A research paper also concluded that the water in the Severn would have been much clearer with bacteria killed off quicker increasing the amount of river life. Whilst concerns regarding the shoreline, a couple of papers suggested this wouldn't be as bad as some made out and could in fact benefit in places more than previous.
Still governments from all parties are happy to leave joe public hanging in the wind (pardon the pun) and care not a jot about the massive increase in energy costs that put tens of thousands more people in energy poverty year on year.


Any suggestions as to what we do with gas-fired stations when the gas runs out or the nations that we are buying it from (not noted for political stability) decide they ain't going to sell us any more of it?

Your earlier cost analysis also conveniently omitted the cost of gas from the equation
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cod'ead wrote:
Any suggestions as to what we do with gas-fired stations when the gas runs out or the nations that we are buying it from (not noted for political stability) decide they ain't going to sell us any more of it?

Your earlier cost analysis also conveniently omitted the cost of gas from the equation

no not convenient at all and was just one comparison, when you calculate the cost of wind energy being at least 12 times the price that still makes gas burning stations far far cheaper even over the next 20 years when the wholesale price of gas will go up without a doubt.
Obviously the point was to show that wind turbines aren't this manna, cost free bounty that the proponents are making it out to be.
If you're referring to the Russian/Ukraine issues of 06 & 09 then clearly that was a blot but unwisely investing in such massively costly & innefficient renewables is a ball & chain around the UK publics' neck pretty much forever.
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