Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:17 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

The last rise to the adult minimum wage was 11p per hour.

We'll ignore the fact that most employees on the NMW are employed on zero hour or short term or part time contracts and assume a worst case scenario that they are working a 40 hour week - thats a wage rise of £4.40 a week or £228 per year, taxable.

I don't know how employers can keep a straight face or stop themselves from blushing when they state that such lavish and extravagant behaviour will ruin the business and crush the economy.

Given another stated aim of this bunch of miscreants is: "to make work pay". It seems a bloody strange way of going about it by proposing to reduce wages

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:41 am  

It's the passivity of all of us that should know better that is fooking killing me!
Where have all the soldiers gone?

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:30 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Good April Fools joke.

By the coalition you mean?

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:29 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Given another stated aim of this bunch of miscreants is: "to make work pay". It seems a bloody strange way of going about it by proposing to reduce wages

To you and me 'making work pay' means you get a decent living wage over and above what you get in benefits (without them being slashed first), to this bunch of scumbags it means slashing benefits first, then reducing the NMW, still making work pay over benefits.

Maybe at the next GE enough of the idiots on low pay who voted Tory will not do the same again (such as my mother in law who has always maintained that ruling should be left to those who know how to rule, such as royalty, aristocracy and the Tories while scraping an existence on a low paid menial job followed by basic pension for the last 10 years )

Without trying to pick a fight with those on here who think that laws should never be broken, no matter what, what we need is some good old fashioned civil disobedience, or better still a f'cking revolution with a brick wall and guns at the end of it.

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:45 am  

Ah yes, that old saw about how the minimum wage is bad for the economy, but £38m Barclays bonuses is good for it.

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:58 am  

rover49 wrote:

To you and me 'making work pay' means you get a decent living wage over and above what you get in benefits (without them being slashed first), to this bunch of scumbags it means slashing benefits first, then reducing the NMW, still making work pay over benefits.

Maybe at the next GE enough of the idiots on low pay who voted Tory will not do the same again (such as my mother in law who has always maintained that ruling should be left to those who know how to rule, such as royalty, aristocracy and the Tories while scraping an existence on a low paid menial job followed by basic pension for the last 10 years )

Without trying to pick a fight with those on here who think that laws should never be broken, no matter what, what we need is some good old fashioned civil disobedience, or better still a f'cking revolution with a brick wall and guns at the end of it.

We could start our own rebellion up if you fancy it?
The Hedon Popular Front?

We might have to spend a few afternoons in Shakespeare planning our strategy first though!

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:06 am  

WIZEB wrote:

We could start our own rebellion up if you fancy it?
The Hedon Popular Front?

We might have to spend a few afternoons in Shakespeare planning our strategy first though!

I'm up for it too.

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:20 am  

WIZEB wrote:

We could start our own rebellion up if you fancy it?
The Hedon Popular Front?

We might have to spend a few afternoons in Shakespeare planning our strategy first though!

First action will be to liberate those oppressed Jammie Dodgers from their capitalist owners and distribute amongst the HPF members.

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:31 am  

rover49 wrote:

First action will be to liberate those oppressed Jammie Dodgers from their capitalist owners and distribute amongst the HPF members.

Already jotted down in the HPF manifesto.
We may also have to usurp the current red and white landlord with one of a black and white persuasion?
Ex- GB Captain or not!

DMW will be invited to our nexy rally.
Party organiser.

Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:45 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

The last rise to the adult minimum wage was 11p per hour.

We'll ignore the fact that most employees on the NMW are employed on zero hour or short term or part time contracts and assume a worst case scenario that they are working a 40 hour week - thats a wage rise of £4.40 a week or £228 per year, taxable.

I don't know how employers can keep a straight face or stop themselves from blushing when they state that such lavish and extravagant behaviour will ruin the business and crush the economy.

Very easily - falling margins due to increases in material and other costs - increasing labour costs simply compounds an already desperate position. You give a pay award and you become less competitive this will cost jobs in the long run. Contorary to what the likes of Mr Fish think - most companies are trying to employ the maximum number of people for the maximum amount of time. The company I work for has no given a pay award for 4 years, that is pretty much the norm in this industry.

I solution I would prefer would be no annual award but a bonus based on performance across the whole work force. The idea that everyone should get a 4% increase because inflation is at that level is outdated old style leftie thinking. and is unsustainable in today's economic climate.