Re: X factor time again : Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:09 pm  

I always end up catching bits of the show here and there when the series is on but never properly watch all of it.

The big problem I have with x factor is that when the show starts and they have the TV audtions it's made out like these are the very first auditions. But they have untelevised preliminary auditions before these without the judges in front of some form of tv producers involved, who blatantly allow people who shouldn't be anywhere near a microphone to go on the TV audtions for the amusement of the audience.

It's quite clear they allow them the impression they are pretty good, it's why so many TERRIBLE people come out confident and guns blazing, they've already been put through an audition and now they are on tv, so they think they have something. It's pure exploitation.

The final contestants which get past the houses onto the live shows, they always over egg them. If you listen to the judges comments, you'd be forgiven for thinking theres a new dawn of super artists.

''the improvement you've made in a few weeks is SCARY, i cannot imagine what you will be like in a few months''

''you.....were.....INCREDIBLE''

''what a future you have in store''

These party lines get trotted out over and over. Yet most of these contestants won't end up winning the show and completly dissappear off the radar.

Anyone remember that little irish lad from a few years ago eoghan quigg? They were making out he was going to be the next big thing regardless of whether he won the show. Case in point. How's his recording career going?

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:21 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

Anyone remember that little irish lad from a few years ago eoghan quigg? They were making out he was going to be the next big thing regardless of whether he won the show. Case in point. How's his recording career going?

He's massive in Ireland and the US

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:41 am  

This band... http://xfactor.itv.com/2013/videos/auditions/watch_next-of-kins-arena-audition_item_200682.htm Can sing and are a talent that the music industry has already picked up, milked for cash, and then dumped by the roadside and yet surprisingly one of their side comments on Saturday night was of how their fame ten years ago left them "with nothing" BUT they want to have another go. So we all know how producers and record companies like Universal work, they certainly aren't there for the benefit of the performer and if any of them make a few quid after the record company have taken theirs then its merely a nice side effect and probably the fault of an accountant who forgot to charge the band for the private jet hire, and yet they still stand in line and wait to be milked again. Its a strange world.

This band... http://xfactor.itv.com/2013/videos/auditions/watch_next-of-kins-arena-audition_item_200682.htm Can sing and are a talent that the music industry has already picked up, milked for cash, and then dumped by the roadside and yet surprisingly one of their side comments on Saturday night was of how their fame ten years ago left them "with nothing" BUT they want to have another go. So we all know how producers and record companies like Universal work, they certainly aren't there for the benefit of the performer and if any of them make a few quid after the record company have taken theirs then its merely a nice side effect and probably the fault of an accountant who forgot to charge the band for the private jet hire, and yet they still stand in line and wait to be milked again. Its a strange world.

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:49 am  

A lot of people misunderstand X factor raging about the fact that its all fixed, they get people on that are already in the industry etc, they put people through that aren't great singers.

It's an entertainment show, its goal is to maximise ratings. If it was a straightforward sift looking for the best singer it would have limited appeal. Yes they exploit some people but if you don't want to be exploited you don't have to audition.

I don't think the show's owners really care that much about the success of the winner, as long as every show or every second show they produce an artist or band that sells a lot of records.

It's not about finding someone that will go down regarded as a Jimi Hendrix or Rolling Stones by music fans in the all time halls of fame, its about producing someone that sells to the market that spends most money on music (usually teenage girls). So One Direction, JLS, Olly Murs etc. These have all been successful in the way X factor wanted. And the show itself gets great ratings although I think it does have a limited shelf life and will burn out after a while.

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:33 am  

Shutterman wrote:

He's massive in Ireland and the US

no he's not.

he hasn't released an album since 2009 (which did get to number 1 in Ireland) but plummeted after being panned for being awful, and was last seen apparently auditioning for a new boy band managed by Louis Walsh.

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:22 am  

TV show in "what you see isn't entirely 100% what you get" shock

I can't really understand now, after so many series, some people still don't get that a lot of the stuff is staged, even rehearsed, and the so called 'victims' are actually mostly playing their part, a bit like the no-hopers in wrestling.

It is entertainment, it isn't, and isn't meant to be, a live recording of everything that actually happened as it happened.

Exploited? You think that some of the truly dreadful turns would ever have achieved national TV exposure, and thus a route to at least a modest few short term bob, in any other way?

All this "X won but never became a star" is bunkum too. Obviously any such show has a point, and the notional point of this one has to be to win, but the actual point so far as those taking part is concerned (99.999% of whom be definition won't win) is to attract the interest of those people in the game who may be able to give them a break. Failing that, to up their personal level of club turn and - even if temporarily - up their daily rate. Or for those not actually interested in a career, some fame or notoriety in the modern "I was on a reality TV show" stylee.

Some people on here are talking as if the music industry is filled with perennials who once "made it" and are now great. No, it's not. Nearly all turns have a short shelf life, not just X-Factor ones. Even those who don't, usually achieve a peak of popularity only for a short spell and then just 'get by' on minor hits and run-of-the mill releases.

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:40 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

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Anyone remember that little irish lad from a few years ago eoghan quigg? They were making out he was going to be the next big thing regardless of whether he won the show. Case in point. How's his recording career going?

Well, obviously YOU remember him, even though he only finished third, five years ago! You're a secret fan, aren't you! Why else would you remotely remember the act that finished 3rd way back in 2008? And why would he be "the next big thing" when he didn't even win?

That year was a good case in point, though, as he was beaten, I see, by Alexandra Burke, and JLS, both of whom did indeed go on to carve out surprisingly big careers for themselves, especially JLS, but both have had very considerable success and made a mint.

EHW wrote:

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he hasn't released an album since 2009 (which did get to number 1 in Ireland) but plummeted after being panned for being awful, and was last seen apparently auditioning for a new boy band managed by Louis Walsh.

He didn't do too bad for himself though did he? He's only 21 even now and he's had a no.1 in his own right in his own country and been part of a UK no. 1 too. Which for a lad with not that much going for him apart from that cheesy choirboy thing is better, I'd guess, than most of his peers, and certainly more than he could've dreamed of but for his run on X-Factor. He's not crash hot, but "so, apart from 2 number one singles, what else have you done" is a pretty weird criticism in the here-today gone-tomorrow pop industry, isn't it?

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:34 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Well, obviously YOU remember him, even though he only finished third, five years ago! You're a secret fan, aren't you! Why else would you remotely remember the act that finished 3rd way back in 2008? And why would he be "the next big thing" when he didn't even win?

I remember it because that was the only season I have watched multiple live shows. That was the last season I saw a decent amount of, If i'd watched all seasons since i probably wouldn't remember it.

Re: X factor time again : Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:37 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

A lot of people misunderstand X factor raging about the fact that its all fixed, they get people on that are already in the industry etc, they put people through that aren't great singers.

It's an entertainment show, its goal is to maximise ratings. If it was a straightforward sift looking for the best singer it would have limited appeal. Yes they exploit some people but if you don't want to be exploited you don't have to audition.

I don't think the show's owners really care that much about the success of the winner, as long as every show or every second show they produce an artist or band that sells a lot of records.

It's not about finding someone that will go down regarded as a Jimi Hendrix or Rolling Stones by music fans in the all time halls of fame, its about producing someone that sells to the market that spends most money on music (usually teenage girls). So One Direction, JLS, Olly Murs etc. These have all been successful in the way X factor wanted. And the show itself gets great ratings although I think it does have a limited shelf life and will burn out after a while.

So in other words it's a steaming pile of horse maunre, Its car crash TV all to make Uncle Simon piles of cash as the idiotic viewers phone up to pick which gimp they prefer.
Shame I don't watch it after reading this.

Re: X factor time again : Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:28 am  

Nope, it's just OK entertainment. With the occasional crackin new young singers thrown in.