Re: Cancellation of passports : Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:18 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

1. Who designates the targets as terrorist targets?

2. The IRA gave prior warnings too, so in your book they're OK?

3. Define "indiscriminately"

4. Clarify how you know the person's intentions.

Whenever you're ready.....

WTF?

Launching rockets at civilian population centres is terrorism

Not defending this are you?

Re: Cancellation of passports : Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:24 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

WTF?

Launching rockets at civilian population centres is terrorism

Not defending this are you?

Not at all. Just asking some questions to clarify your view.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:33 pm  

1. The IDF target the means by which the terrorists launch rockets.
2. Different scenario. The IRA was/is a terrorist organisation, the other a state trying to protect its civilians and avoid killing innocent civilians posted into harms way deliberately by Hamas.
3. A dictionary might assist you with this one. Not sure there is anything I can add?
4. Infer from conduct as is always the case.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:28 pm  

They're both as bad as each other. And that's the problem.
Though there are peaceful, ordinary people on both sides stuck in the middle & Israel shouldn't receive as much support from other nations as it does.

As for the question about British people serving in the IDF, I'm not AS concerned about them as I am about those going to join ISIS/fight in Syria etc as the ones serving in the IDF are far, far less likely to come back to Britain and try to bomb people here.
I also believe there are plenty of British people going to Syria etc who have no intention of harming Britain or British people when they return. It's a very complicated situation. In a way a lot more complicated than the Israel/Palestine problem.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:04 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

1. The IDF target the means by which the terrorists launch rockets.
2. Different scenario. The IRA was/is a terrorist organisation, the other a state trying to protect its civilians and avoid killing innocent civilians posted into harms way deliberately by Hamas.
3. A dictionary might assist you with this one. Not sure there is anything I can add?
4. Infer from conduct as is always the case.

So basically an Israeli life is worth more than a Palestinian life then?

565 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces since January 2009, while 28 Israeli civilians and 10 Israeli security personnel have been killed

Re: Cancellation of passports : Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:49 am  

OK then so add the people who go to Israel and fight to the list of cancelled passports.

Is that an OK thing to do?

Re: Cancellation of passports : Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:23 am  

Israel 60 - Palestine 0 in the latest killing bout since the horrific tit for tat kidnapping murders isn't it?

Re: Cancellation of passports : Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:17 am  

Him wrote:

They're both as bad as each other. And that's the problem.

Exactly. And no amount of pontificating by some that poor Israel are the victims here will change that

Re: Cancellation of passports : Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:35 am  

Chris28 wrote:

Exactly. And no amount of pontificating by some that poor Israel are the victims here will change that

Spot on.
I don't claim to know every aspect of the situation in detail, and I've somewhat lost track of matters in the last couple of years but I know the basics so to speak.
I lay blame at both the Israeli's and the Palestinian's door. Both are as pig-headed and warlike as each other it's just the Israeli's have higher capabailities than the Palestinian's. I lay slightly more blame at the Israeli's door mainly because of that higher capability and if these are legitimate terrorist targets they need to take them out with a minimum of civilian casualties, not just firing missiles or dropping bombs into civilian areas because they can. They (like Britain & US in Iraq & Afghanistan) need to maybe put more of their own troops in danger in order to minimise civilian casualties.

But I don't see it ever being resolved until the US steps in to bring the 2 together including putting pressure on Israel. But the way American politics (& politics in general) works I can't see that ever happening.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:45 am  

''Latest scoreflash''

80 - 0.

All them Palestinian terrorists (children) need to invest in a Dome Defence System.