Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:11 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

About as reasonable as paying a mortgage judging by the amount who bought them from the government. Still, as you once again fail to grasp what I'm saying, if you give someone a house that they pay rent on, a reasonable rent, but they can stay in it for ever AND then pass it on to a family member AND they're not responsible for the general upkeep of it then what's the point? Let them buy it, they were only going to stay in it anyway, look at poor, dead communist Bob Crowe, couldn't get him to pass on his council property to someone who may have actually benefited from it, still as long as he was alright, sod the poorest in society who he could have helped.

...all of which is representative of the current situation in social housing where annual contracts, market rents and "emergency accommodation" are its main purpose, at what point did the sea change occur and who was it that decreed that the only houses "to keep" would be the ones to buy and not rent ?

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:53 pm  

Not sure how we got onto rent and housing from the NHS, but anyway...

JerryChicken wrote:

They are the acknowledged experts on how to run a business efficiently, they don't have to be medical experts.

Just as a "for instance" there is a huge problem with bed blocking by older citizens with long term problems who need nursing care but not hospital nursing care, you can also add mental conditions to that list - solve that problem by innovative thinking and you'll save the NHS more than £10m.

Or you could just get the doctors to run the hospitals.

This bed blocking you speak of came about because of this coalition's cuts to local authorities, which are primarily responsible for social care outside of NHS hospitals.

The Tories can claim all they like that they increased NHS spending this parliament. It's probably true. But when the NHS relies on social care to look after patients after they leave hospital, if that social care is cut by local authorities because their budgets have been sliced by George Osbourne, this creates a backlog on the NHS as patients cannot be discharged because the have nowhere suitable to go.

The lies and spin comes that we need private healthcare companies to offload the burden on the public health service. Before you know it, healthcare in this country is completely in private hands, and we're all paying through the nose for private medical insurance.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:17 am  

Peckerwood wrote:

The lies and spin comes that we need private healthcare companies to offload the burden on the public health service. Before you know it, healthcare in this country is completely in private hands, and we're all paying through the nose for private medical insurance.

It's funny, because that's exactly the reason Labour came up with when opening the doors to the private sector from 97-10.

Currently there's less than 10% of the NHS "in private hands" the pace of the sell off has slowed under the coalition.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:03 am  

BobbyD wrote:

It's funny, because that's exactly the reason Labour came up with when opening the doors to the private sector from 97-10.

Currently there's less than 10% of the NHS "in private hands" the pace of the sell off has slowed under the coalition.

From tomorrow the NHS will be responsible for checking the bona fides of anyone requiring treatment - all done in the cause of preventing "health tourism".

This so-called health tourism accounts for an infinitessimal percentage of the NHS budget but the worrying aspect is: The NHS now has the systems in place to charge for treatment. Only a complete idiot would think that wasn't at the heart of the exercise

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:33 am  

cod'ead wrote:

From tomorrow the NHS will be responsible for checking the bona fides of anyone requiring treatment - all done in the cause of preventing "health tourism".

This so-called health tourism accounts for an infinitessimal percentage of the NHS budget but the worrying aspect is: The NHS now has the systems in place to charge for treatment. Only a complete idiot would think that wasn't at the heart of the exercise

From tomorrow anyone applying for a work visa has to pay £200 per year of the visa for the NHS, on top of any taxes and NI that they will have deducted at source as you and I do. Regardless of your view on immigration, how is that remotely fair?

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:49 am  

Chris28 wrote:

From tomorrow anyone applying for a work visa has to pay £200 per year of the visa for the NHS, on top of any taxes and NI that they will have deducted at source as you and I do. Regardless of your view on immigration, how is that remotely fair?

Fairness, humanity and compassion are not in the right wing dictionary/thesaurus or vocabulary

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:11 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

The NHS now has the systems in place to charge for treatment. Only a complete idiot would think that wasn't at the heart of the exercise

The NHS has charged for treatment for decades. They were introduced by the Labour party, Bevan, the only Labour MP or Labour voter who appears to have any backbone, resigned over it.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:39 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

The NHS has charged for treatment for decades. They were introduced by the Labour party, Bevan, the only Labour MP or Labour voter who appears to have any backbone, resigned over it.

Please don't conflate contributions to the cost of medicines (prescription charges) and charges for treatment. The latter has been the particular preserve of the tories: dental charges and eye tests spring immediately to mind

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:43 pm  

On the subject of health tourism, it appears that the tory rags may have got their banner headlines a little skewed.

Re: NHS England misusing my money. : Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:18 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Please don't conflate contributions to the cost of medicines (prescription charges) and charges for treatment. The latter has been the particular preserve of the tories: dental charges and eye tests spring immediately to mind

Bless. You're the rather special gift that keeps on giving. Bevan resigned in 1951, because the Labour Party (you've voted for them once or twice) decided to introduce charges for dentistry and eyecare.

Yes, how dare people call "prescription charges", "charges" it's not like people hand over their hard earned to get treatment...oh, wait...they do.

We don't actually allow you to vote do we? I only ask as I'm pretty sure you'll have problems with lightswitches.