Re: Brexit disaster : Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:34 am  

We aren't going to get anywhere towards fixing this calamity as long as a large chunk of the country continues to live a lie or keeps changing their arguments as to why Brexit isn't a problem or isn't their fault (we never said it wouldn't have an economic impact/the Europeans are being beastly to us/ it's a Remainer Brexit etc etc).

Re: Brexit disaster : Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:00 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Just because some peoples opinions differ from yours doesn't make them wrong, in this instance I'll humour you by asking you that if these people admit they were sold a pup and I believe there are plenty of them, how would that help, maybe they think that if you started to engage in sensible conversation that might help who knows eh!

The one certainty is that, while ever the lying *** in No 10 and his ministers keep blaming all of the issues on the EU, there will be little progress.
Boris Johnson signed his "oven ready" deal 2 years ago and it wasn't and isn't fit for purpose.

It suits the Tories to be able to blame someone else,(the EU in this instance), rather than admit that they made a total balls of things.

Many of those in N. Ireland believe that the protocol is actually working and ironically, it's the DUP who do not. Quite ironic that it was they, under the Teresa May administration, who held the balance of power in Westminster and it was they who, once in power, Boris Johnson threw under the bus but, he's is now having to back track at speed.

The whole Irish issue should have been worked out prior to the referendum but, Cameron was so confident that we would remain in the EU that he didn't give the matter any serious thought and then Johnson just hoped/pretended that everything would be ok.

Not great would be a massive understatement.

Meanwhile the UK is on the brink of recession and our former friends in the EU are projected to see a "bounce" in their ecconomy next year. Happy days.

Re: Brexit disaster : Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:37 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Many of those in N. Ireland believe that the protocol is actually working

It certainly is for NI, whose growth thanks to being part of the single market is much stronger than the rest of the UK's.

We all knew from the very start there were three options - none of which Quitter types wanted: hard border in the Irish Sea with NI in the single market (which is where we are), hard border within Ireland (impossible) or UK in its entirety remains in the single market.

They won, they negotiated the deal, they got what they wanted. But they continue to whinge and whine like the big babies they are because prolonging the Brexit wars is advantageous to them politically. That's all, they're not interested in doing what's best for the country or best for the economy. It's all about what serves them best. And lots of the people who voted leave still believe in their BS despite all the evidence to the contrary. And until that is fixed we won't have a serious discussion about how to fix up the mess which has been created.

Re: Brexit disaster : Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:06 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

It certainly is for NI, whose growth thanks to being part of the single market is much stronger than the rest of the UK's.

We all knew from the very start there were three options - none of which Quitter types wanted: hard border in the Irish Sea with NI in the single market (which is where we are), hard border within Ireland (impossible) or UK in its entirety remains in the single market.

They won, they negotiated the deal, they got what they wanted. But they continue to whinge and whine like the big babies they are because prolonging the Brexit wars is advantageous to them politically. That's all, they're not interested in doing what's best for the country or best for the economy. It's all about what serves them best. And lots of the people who voted leave still believe in their BS despite all the evidence to the contrary. And until that is fixed we won't have a serious discussion about how to fix up the mess which has been created.

Instead "we" change the rules unilaterally and then wait to see what action the EU take. It could all get rather interesting.
Looking at the projected growth for next year, it would appear that The EU have the boss hand (again).

Never mind though as we are putting the "crown" mark back onto pint pots.

Re: Brexit disaster : Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:10 pm  

The ECHR is not controlled by the EU before anyone comes on here to blame them for the problem with the flight. We are now proposing to leave it despite being a founding member, the last country to do so was Russia.

Re: Brexit disaster : Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:22 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The ECHR is not controlled by the EU before anyone comes on here to blame them for the problem with the flight. We are now proposing to leave it despite being a founding member, the last country to do so was Russia.

Pathetic isn't it. And this BS about flights has done exactly what it was intended to: take all the negative Johnson stuff off the front page. It's not serious policy, even the people proposing it don't think that. It's just a very expensive way of trying to prolong the Brexit culture war once again as that's the Tories' only playbook now.

Re: Brexit disaster : Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:40 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The ECHR is not controlled by the EU before anyone comes on here to blame them for the problem with the flight. We are now proposing to leave it despite being a founding member, the last country to do so was Russia.

If the threat to leave the ECHR is genuine, The Tories really do need to give their heads a shake.

Mind you, "we" left the EU because we couldn't get our own way often enough so, perhaps that's how we roll under Johnson & Co.
Just when you thought we couldn't get any lower down the shaft, they make a threat to move away from the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

Maybe they could have put the flight to Rwanda to good use and put the Tory Cabinet on there

Re: Brexit disaster : Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:08 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

If the threat to leave the ECHR is genuine, The Tories really do need to give their heads a shake.

Mind you, "we" left the EU because we couldn't get our own way often enough so, perhaps that's how we roll under Johnson & Co.
Just when you thought we couldn't get any lower down the shaft, they make a threat to move away from the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

Maybe they could have put the flight to Rwanda to good use and put the Tory Cabinet on there

I think it must be the word European which they hope will resonate with those members of the U.K. population. What many don’t realise is this body was set up by his favourite PM Churchill and other leaders making us one of the founding members. The ECHR also defends the rights of the U.K. population so leaving it would weaken our own protections.
I think the only factor being taken into consideration is operation save big dog, regardless of the outcome on the U.K..

Re: Brexit disaster : Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:29 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I think it must be the word European which they hope will resonate with those members of the U.K. population. What many don’t realise is this body was set up by his favourite PM Churchill and other leaders making us one of the founding members. The ECHR also defends the rights of the U.K. population so leaving it would weaken our own protections.
I think the only factor being taken into consideration is operation save big dog, regardless of the outcome on the U.K..

I think you may be right.
They are trying to make lots of "noise" on various issues to try and show how "strong" our PM is but, some of the current goings on are a smear on the nation and not befitting any decent world leader, unless he's going for the "dictator" style. Perhaps he spent a little too long in Trump's company ?

Re: Brexit disaster : Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:06 pm  

I wonder if the irony that Ukraine could take our place in the EU resonates with some on here.