Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:32 am  

bren2k wrote:

Is that the technology that doesn't currently exist anywhere in the world?

"We looked at every border on this Earth, every border the EU has with a third country - there's simply no way you can do away with checks and controls," its director-general for trade, Sabine Weyand, said in January.

One crossing point alone between Norway & Sweden processes 1,300 vehicles a day taking an average of 20 minutes. And that is a highly developed crossing, not the hundreds of lanes that meander across the Irish border.

It is another Johnson lie &, as with his family & constituents, he doesn't give a toss about the devastating effects of his narcissism.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:10 am  

bren2k wrote:

What we're witnessing of course, is Johnson deliberately making vague and impossible demands of the EU, so he can play the inevitable failure of his plan as being entirely due to EU intransigence.

It was always the plan.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:07 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Maybe the clowns that wanted a referendum should have thought a little more about how they would achieve it, BEFORE selling their version of utopia
The whole impasse is of our own making but, you can bet your life that Boris will be blaming "the inflexibility of the EU", despite still not having a sensible plan for the Irish border and given that he has had an additional 3 years since the referendum to come up with a sensible idea, it's quite ridiculous that he think the solution will suddenly appear, like some kind of apparition.
Remember the old phrase about not starting a fight if you cant finish it ???

This is a very simple if painful solution - leave with no deal and use WTO terms in the short term. This was discussed by project fear so anyone who says it wasn't isn't telling the truth

This is entirely of our own making - we have a referendum but those asked to implement the result of the vote are all opposed to the result - how could it ever work?

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:32 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

This is a very simple if painful solution - leave with no deal and use WTO terms in the short term. This was discussed by project fear so anyone who says it wasn't isn't telling the truth

It was brushed off by leavers as project fear plenty of times. In amongst where leavers put forward Norway and Switzerland as examples we should follow and saying only a madman would leave the single market. All lies.

WTO terms may be a lot longer than short term for some markets since WTO terms would be far more favourable to them than anything we might try to subsequently negotiate. Canada is an example that’s been given recently.

Sal Paradise wrote:

This is entirely of our own making - we have a referendum but those asked to implement the result of the vote are all opposed to the result - how could it ever work?

It is of the Conservative Party’s making. It was all their idea. Those implementing it now are the most vociferous of the leavers so if it’s a disaster it’s their responsibility.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

This is a very simple if painful solution - leave with no deal and use WTO terms in the short term. This was discussed by project fear so anyone who says it wasn't isn't telling the truth

This is entirely of our own making - we have a referendum but those asked to implement the result of the vote are all opposed to the result - how could it ever work?

OK let's make this simple for you, and see if we can get a straight answer from a Brexiteer for once.

1. Do you want a hard border in Ireland?
2. If "no" how will you adhere to WTO rules?
3. If "no" how on earth does leaving our border open to any EU citizen to walk over and into the UK and onto the black employment market fulfill your dreams of Brexit.

Anyone who knows anything about NI or about trade or about immigration will tell you these issues are insoluble.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:50 pm  

Crikey, that was an awkward meeting between Bo Jo & Merkel, now Boris is going to solve the backstop conundrum in a month - of course he is!

Nice to know his next cunning move is to abandon the HS2. project, so, once that is out of the way & European Grants are a distant memory, it makes for bleak prospects for the North.

I do like a bit of irony, my favorite was Jimi Heselden of Segway fame, but a load of disgruntled Northerners facilitating this right wing coup takes the biscuit!

At least they'll stop moaning about too many Europeans taking "their" houses, imagine the outcry when said Polish/Bulgarian's/Romania's are replaced by Somalians, Nigerians & the like.

Roll on Halloween, next up a referendum on Capital punishment please, let's go the whole hog.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:48 pm  

There are other options, which I think was Merkel’s point, but they’re all softer than May’s deal which wasn’t hard enough the ‘Betrayal!’ Brexiteers who are now very much in the ascendancy in the Government.

So I imagine Boris is going to run off to brainstorm invisible border solutions, completely missing the point.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:42 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

So I imagine Boris is going to run off to brainstorm invisible border solutions, completely missing the point.

Aided and abetted by swathes of the RW media, who have dutifully reported Mrs Merkel's gentle sarcasm as a win for Johnson:

"Maybe you'll solve it in 30 days..." <smirk>
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"Boris wins concessions from Krauts and Frogs!"

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:40 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

This is a very simple if painful solution - leave with no deal and use WTO terms in the short term. This was discussed by project fear so anyone who says it wasn't isn't telling the truth

This is entirely of our own making - we have a referendum but those asked to implement the result of the vote are all opposed to the result - how could it ever work?

No, we had a referendum, without the wit or brains to actually leave in an orderly manner.
WTO rules would be absolute chaos, although certain people just dont see this.

The chaos in the short to medium term would ensure the recession that we are already on the brink of entering but, WTF, fill your boots.
10 years of austerity only affected those with nothing and it wasn't you taking your life, because your benefits had been cut or you lost your job

Some of those making decisions about our lives really ought to try and live with the world that they create - without their millions of course.

The clowns at the top are immune from the changes but, those lower down the shaft, unfortunately, are not

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:10 am  

In every instance where a state of events occurs that was previously labelled "Project fear" can we expect 52% of people to bloody apologise for parroting the utterly vacuous "la la la I can't hear you" phrase in the first place?

I'll settle for a sheepish "my bad" at a pinch.