Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:17 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think a lot of workers on minimum wage vote Tory - they would get 13m+ votes without them. We still come back to the issue of how do you attract staff - if things are really bad nobody will go there to work - as we have seen with the crop picking - according to labour tonnes of food has been left rotting in the ground because the farmers couldn't get migrant labour - they also couldn't get uk labour either.

Simple solution pay more and that is the reality of most businesses including mine - I have to be competitive or I will not attract the quality of people I need to move my business forward. Its not rocket science.

And ironically, the increase in hourly rates, has brought with it more and more zero hours contracts and in the "delivery" sector, a move to increased numbers of "self employed" drivers, who are in everything but name, agency drivers, serving just one paymaster.
Back in the day, they would have been employed full time on a "proper" contract and entitled to sick pay and paid holidays.

Some of these people like being their own boss but, dont kid yourself that its progress. The same goes for Uber and many of the large employers, who now have a vast array of part time staff, to avoid the expense of NI and sick pay.

So, ask the question about "why" the government would want to lose employees protection from the deal ??

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:54 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And ironically, the increase in hourly rates, has brought with it more and more zero hours contracts and in the "delivery" sector, a move to increased numbers of "self employed" drivers, who are in everything but name, agency drivers, serving just one paymaster.
Back in the day, they would have been employed full time on a "proper" contract and entitled to sick pay and paid holidays.

Some of these people like being their own boss but, dont kid yourself that its progress. The same goes for Uber and many of the large employers, who now have a vast array of part time staff, to avoid the expense of NI and sick pay.

So, ask the question about "why" the government would want to lose employees protection from the deal ??

I would never employ anyone on a zero hours contract - I don't think it is correct but it does suit some people. I need take Uber prefer Amber in Leeds although I think they are pretty much self employed.

I employ 170 drivers none on zero hour contracts I do have a big demand from self-employed drivers and lose drivers to it - IR35 will put a stop to that.

Employee protection was part of a whole raft of items that moved from the EU control to the UK Parliament as part of Boris' WA - Labour just highlighted it as an easy target - when they have no evidence whatsoever that the Tories will do anything and there is no evidence to base it on. Just Labour grasping at straws - project fear.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:45 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We still come back to the point of why would any party reduce workers rights -

Because these are the sorts of socialist interventions into the free market which you have been warning us about? I'd have thought you'd be manning the barricades to get rid of them; or does your forceful bluster about Marxism and Socialism waver when it comes to actual details?

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:53 pm  

Boris Johnson said he’d rather be dead in a ditch than extend the Brexit deadline beyond 31st October

Once again he’s been shown to be a proven liar, you can’t trust a single word he says

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:55 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Boris Johnson said he’d rather be dead in a ditch than extend the Brexit deadline beyond 31st October

Once again he’s been shown to be a proven liar, you can’t trust a single word he says

Never trust any politician. You will always end up disappointed.

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:58 pm  

Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson is the least trustworthy of them all

Re: Boris Johnson : Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:55 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Because these are the sorts of socialist interventions into the free market which you have been warning us about? I'd have thought you'd be manning the barricades to get rid of them; or does your forceful bluster about Marxism and Socialism waver when it comes to actual details?

As you don't actually employ anybody you wouldn't understand how competitive it is to find and recruit talented people - offering worse terms than a rival is hardly going to help your recruitment position and the overall competitiveness of your business - take it from someone who employs 300+ people. This is not some free market think tank this is the reality in the trenches - you should try it some time!!

Re: Boris Johnson : Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:15 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

As you don't actually employ anybody you wouldn't understand how competitive it is to find and recruit talented people - offering worse terms than a rival is hardly going to help your recruitment position and the overall competitiveness of your business - take it from someone who employs 300+ people. This is not some free market think tank this is the reality in the trenches - you should try it some time!!

You're ignoring, probably wilfully, the fact that in a bonfire of regulations, the recruits you currently have to fight for, won't have better options; hence why it is often referred to as a race to the bottom.

And before you start rattling on about your business empire - yes, I employ people, in large number.

Re: Boris Johnson : Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:05 pm  

bren2k wrote:

You're ignoring, probably wilfully, the fact that in a bonfire of regulations, the recruits you currently have to fight for, won't have better options; hence why it is often referred to as a race to the bottom.

And before you start rattling on about your business empire - yes, I employ people, in large number.

Of course you do - but it wont be your money at risk or your business!! - there will always be a scramble for talent business is a game played by people simple. Good employers will always compete for the best people its how business grow and prosper its the quality of the human capital that people invest in. The only way this changes is if you nationalise everything and then you will a reduction in quality opportunities.

Re: Boris Johnson : Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:15 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course you do - but it wont be your money at risk or your business!!

Wrong; you really should stop this assumption habit - it's bad for your argument.

Sal Paradise wrote:

there will always be a scramble for talent business is a game played by people simple. Good employers will always compete for the best people its how business grow and prosper its the quality of the human capital that people invest in. The only way this changes is if you nationalise everything and then you will a reduction in quality opportunities.

That literally makes no sense - at all.