Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:33 pm  

Oh great! millions of tons of waste(from the South) which usually goes to the EU. May now end up being ferried up to the North and land filled.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:12 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

In every instance where a state of events occurs that was previously labelled "Project fear" can we expect 52% of people to bloody apologise for parroting the utterly vacuous "la la la I can't hear you" phrase in the first place?

I'll settle for a sheepish "my bad" at a pinch.

Remember that they wont take any responsibility for any pain.
It will all be blamed on those nasty Europeans, with Farage constantly chipping in from the sidelines saying that, if we'd dome this his way it would all be sunshine and happiness.
As for dealing with our own waste, we should de be doing this anyway and not treating other parts of the world like our very own waste disposal system.
The Scandinavians had "green" considerations long before it was fashionable over here and we should have followed their lead.
The cure is to produce less waste in the first place and not live our lives without consequence.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:15 pm  

JACK DETH wrote:

Oh great! millions of tons of waste(from the South) which usually goes to the EU. May now end up being ferried up to the North and land filled.

Oh shut up you remoaning doomster; all that's required is belief - so if you pull up to the car park you usually use and it's filled with tonnes of putrefying household waste, you just have to *believe* you can still park you car there.

I can't see the big deal - loads of people who have never, and never will or indeed would, fight in a war, have told us that "we" got through World War 2, so we can get through this; that's good enough for me, and it should be for everyone else.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:57 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Oh shut up you remoaning doomster; all that's required is belief - so if you pull up to the car park you usually use and it's filled with tonnes of putrefying household waste, you just have to *believe* you can still park you car there.

I can't see the big deal - loads of people who have never, and never will or indeed would, fight in a war, have told us that "we" got through World War 2, so we can get through this; that's good enough for me, and it should be for everyone else.

Yes, you are right..where is my Dunkirk and Blitz spirit. We gave Johnny Foreigner a bloody nose then, we can do it now.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:53 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

OK let's make this simple for you, and see if we can get a straight answer from a Brexiteer for once.

1. Do you want a hard border in Ireland?
2. If "no" how will you adhere to WTO rules?
3. If "no" how on earth does leaving our border open to any EU citizen to walk over and into the UK and onto the black employment market fulfill your dreams of Brexit.

Anyone who knows anything about NI or about trade or about immigration will tell you these issues are insoluble.

Suella Braverman for the government on Radio 4 this morning was asked this exact same question. Her embarrassing, stuttering non-answer was as laughable as Sal Paradise's disappearing act on here.
They haven't a clue how to answer it as it's not fixable. But they're happy to continue b**ls***ting as if they know what they're talking about after their 5 minutes of Googling "Irish border" and "common travel area".

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:56 pm  

My dilemma after brexit is whether to let my family ride my unicorn down to the food bank, or whether to turn it into a lasagne. Win/Win I suppose.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:27 pm  

Thought I'd check in. Nothing much changed. Salty blinkered remainers missing the point entirely. This whole thread is like an Owen Jones monologue, bruises n'all.

As you were.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:28 am  

Cronus wrote:

Thought I'd check in. Nothing much changed. Salty blinkered remainers missing the point entirely. This whole thread is like an Owen Jones monologue, bruises n'all.

As you were.

Since dear old Sal has done a runner maybe you could answer the question about how having an open border in northern Ireland, which therefore has free access from the rest of the EU via ROI, fulfils any concept of controlling immigration or taking back control?

Saying you want something doesn't mean you can then ignore the dilemmas and excuse yourself from the almost impossible choices to be made in implementing the thing you wanted and then whinge that it's not happened yet.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:34 am  

Cronus wrote:

Thought I'd check in. Nothing much changed. Salty blinkered remainers missing the point entirely. This whole thread is like an Owen Jones monologue, bruises n'all.

As you were.

Yeah, it is a bit one-sided.

Unfortunately from a debating POV, the brexiteers don’t seem to have much beyond a few tired slogans or the reassurance that we’ve survived worse. Possibly scoobied by having to defend a position rather than attack one. It’s hard to watch something you hoped would be good crumble into limping mediocrity, taking small comfort from avoiding catastrophic collapse (or not, as the case may be). As a Hull KR fan, it is a lesson i’ve learned well in recent years.

Good trolling on the implied endorsement of violence by the way. Feel free to imagine my impotent liberal outrage that you would write such a thing, you free-thinking scallywag, you.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:01 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

Good trolling on the implied endorsement of violence by the way. Feel free to imagine my impotent liberal outrage that you would write such a thing, you free-thinking scallywag, you.

Hey if it triggered the libs then it's a win.
It's starting to look like that's the only real unifying logic for Brexiteers.