FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Vaccine Guinea Pig
::Off-topic discussion.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16256
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 12 200420 years62nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
15th Jun 24 21:3015th Jun 24 16:28LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Challenge Cup winners 2009 2010 2012 2019
League Leaders 2011 2016

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:51 pm  
Also had the Pfizer one. Same as reported from many others - arm ached for about 2 to 3 days. At night I had to sleep on the other side because it ached to lie on it, but during the day no real problems. My Mum had the same with Pfizer.

Dad had AstraZeneca. First day afterwards no symptoms, second day he felt like he had Covid for about 12 hours and had to lie in a darkened room, then had a miraculous recovery and was right as rain. Symptoms didn't even last 24 hours but he did feel rough.
RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player604No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 19 20213 years274th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th Jun 24 12:4229th May 24 09:44LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:01 am  
Me dad had the Pfizer and apart from a bit of discomfort with a sore arm no other problems, me mum on the other hand had the Astra Zeneca and it completely floored her for 2 days.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17923
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 24 201113 years49th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 10:0115th Jun 24 08:29LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:00 am  
Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
Yes stopped by the Indian government for their own population. It sounds the same as the EU who were heavily criticised by the government but not questioned by Johnson in respect of India probably because we wants a trade deal with them.
It would appear condemnation only stretches as far as the next trade deal when everything can be forgiven or forgotten.


There's politics aplenty in all of this.
Having said that The EU seem to be making a bit of a balls of their own vaccine program, too much in fighting and not enough getting on with the job and their bickering over the AZ vaccine has clearly added to their problems.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12610
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 01 200717 years130th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 12:4010th Jun 24 21:15LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Leicestershire.
Signature
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Moderator

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:37 am  
wrencat1873 wrote:
There's politics aplenty in all of this.
Having said that The EU seem to be making a bit of a balls of their own vaccine program, too much in fighting and not enough getting on with the job and their bickering over the AZ vaccine has clearly added to their problems.


I don’t think it is really being run at the EU level? Individual member states may be doing poorly, and making some (imo) odd decisions, but mostly I think it is being rolled out at a national level. With some co-operation, I’m sure. But healthcare delivery is very heterogeneous across EU countries.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3092No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 26 200618 years67th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Mar 23 22:1119th Feb 23 21:41LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs."

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:33 pm  
Mild Rover wrote:
I don’t think it is really being run at the EU level? Individual member states may be doing poorly, and making some (imo) odd decisions, but mostly I think it is being rolled out at a national level. With some co-operation, I’m sure. But healthcare delivery is very heterogeneous across EU countries.

It is. But that doesn't fit with the right wing obsession with the EU, or their previous narrative that the EU was a controlling monster that over-ruled the nation states.

Painting the difficult problems various countries have faced as an EU thing therefore suits their purposes for a variety of reasons, not least that it distracts from the previously disastrous job the government had done throughout the pandemic.
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player1032No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 11 20204 years165th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 06:336th Jun 24 12:21LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:02 am  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
It is. But that doesn't fit with the right wing obsession with the EU, or their previous narrative that the EU was a controlling monster that over-ruled the nation states.

Painting the difficult problems various countries have faced as an EU thing therefore suits their purposes for a variety of reasons, not least that it distracts from the previously disastrous job the government had done throughout the pandemic.


I think you are wrong with the first paragraph but spot on with the second.

Anyone who doesn't think the EU is the ultimate Big Brother with the most protectionist attitude of any major organisation then they are blind to the real EU.

Nobody can deny the handling of the earlier stages of the pandemic have been a disgrace - Boris and his cronies were too slow, weak and lacked any kind of coherent strategy. That can also be levelled at the NHS too.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12610
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 01 200717 years130th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 12:4010th Jun 24 21:15LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Leicestershire.
Signature
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Moderator

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:52 am  
Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
I think you are wrong with the first paragraph but spot on with the second.

Anyone who doesn't think the EU is the ultimate Big Brother with the most protectionist attitude of any major organisation then they are blind to the real EU.

Nobody can deny the handling of the earlier stages of the pandemic have been a disgrace - Boris and his cronies were too slow, weak and lacked any kind of coherent strategy. That can also be levelled at the NHS too.


The EU is protectionist externally, in the same way as the US and other major economies. However, it has cut protectionism internally among member states substantially. So we gave up the external protection and internal ease of access to a very large and nearby market. You can make the small and nimble argument for new trade deals but because we have have gone full open doors/low tariffs for imports globally we haven’t got much to offer in trade negotiations. Why would other countries offer us better access when we have already given away the farm? We definitely can’t be accused of selfishly protecting our economic interests - whether that is down to generosity or stupidity is a matter of opinion.

Brexit wasn’t driven by economics though. A country is more than just its GDP, and I accept that the benefits, although intangible, are nonetheless real for many people. Unfortunately for me, it is stuff that I don’t value much personally and I don’t think is very healthy for us nationally, in an opiate of the masses kind of way.
RankPostsTeam
First Team Player1032No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 11 20204 years165th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 06:336th Jun 24 12:21LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:11 pm  
Mild Rover wrote:
The EU is protectionist externally, in the same way as the US and other major economies. However, it has cut protectionism internally among member states substantially. So we gave up the external protection and internal ease of access to a very large and nearby market. You can make the small and nimble argument for new trade deals but because we have have gone full open doors/low tariffs for imports globally we haven’t got much to offer in trade negotiations. Why would other countries offer us better access when we have already given away the farm? We definitely can’t be accused of selfishly protecting our economic interests - whether that is down to generosity or stupidity is a matter of opinion.

Brexit wasn’t driven by economics though. A country is more than just its GDP, and I accept that the benefits, although intangible, are nonetheless real for many people. Unfortunately for me, it is stuff that I don’t value much personally and I don’t think is very healthy for us nationally, in an opiate of the masses kind of way.


I doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see a European super state controlled by the likes of Von der Leyen where by the rules are set from the centre by a host of unelected bureaucrats. The EU has been gradually moving from a free trade arrangements to super state. You only have to see the handling of the vaccine program and the impact it has had in France, Germany, Poland etc. A state where the biggest players manipulate the rules to best suit their particular needs.

Perhaps giving up your independence is a situation worth enduring to get access to the EU - you can't have both. Perhaps we need to be able to stand on our own two feet a bit more - it will definitely sharpen up our commercial endeavours over time.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12610
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 01 200717 years130th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jun 24 12:4010th Jun 24 21:15LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Leicestershire.
Signature
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Moderator

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:47 pm  
Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see a European super state controlled by the likes of Von der Leyen where by the rules are set from the centre by a host of unelected bureaucrats.


It is possible, and the EU is far from perfect. But we assess both the risk and the hazard differently. I think it is a smaller leap of faith to see this not happening. There are other hazards that concern me more (broadly, a continent-wide rise in far right populism) and that might mean that we actually do end up being better off out. However, for now the risk, while bigger than I’d like, remains small and so I didn’t see an urgent need to depart. But we have, so there you go!

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
The EU has been gradually moving from a free trade arrangements to super state. You only have to see the handling of the vaccine program and the impact it has had in France, Germany, Poland etc.


Okay, I may genuinely have missed something here. There seems to be some conception that there is a single EU vaccination program, that is to the detriment of efforts in individual member states. That isn’t the case, as I understand it. While national decision makers take advice from the EMA, after regulatory approval for which the EMA is entirely responsible, they make their decisions independently. For example the (imo strange) decisions to suspend use of the AZ vaccine were taken independently in some member states and in not others.

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
A state where the biggest players manipulate the rules to best suit their particular needs.


Gosh yes - it’d be terrible to live in a state where the wealthy and powerful exert their influence in pursuit of their best interests, exploiting the poor and disempowered as necessary. Fortunately, we live in the UK - home of fairness, where everybody’s voice weighs equally. :)


Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:
Perhaps giving up your independence is a situation worth enduring to get access to the EU - you can't have both. Perhaps we need to be able to stand on our own two feet a bit more - it will definitely sharpen up our commercial endeavours over time.


Where do you see the greatest opportunities to sharpen? Why do you think they have been neglected to this point?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3092No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 26 200618 years67th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Mar 23 22:1119th Feb 23 21:41LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs."

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:23 pm  
This stuff about worries about unelected bureaucrats, a centralised state and powerful actors manipulating the system.

It's amazing, even factoring in the lies that make people think this stuff is true about the EU, and their seemingly permanent myopia that they never take a look around over here and think, "wait a minute...."
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 99 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to The Sin Bin


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14m
Surely its all over now for Watson
WelshGiant
4
33m
Rodwell
Luppylad
15
41m
Widnes away
FIL
89
42m
Round 13 Hull FC A
tad rhino
106
43m
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
174
46m
Shopping list for 2025
davey41
2705
Recent
Kevin Sinfield
FORESTBRI
7
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The games af
2050
Recent
Smith out ASAP
Ex-Swarcliff
689
Recent
Barrow v Halifax
MP
12
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
christopher
9155
48s
Tonights game v Salford
Boss Hog
76
58s
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
174
1m
7pm tonight
lifelongfan
12
1m
Sintillins
orangeman
19
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Bobby Digita
2568
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37566
2m
TV Games - Not Hull
The games af
1958
3m
Whitehaven A
Bullseye
18
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59680
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
St Helens Break Fifty As They Thrash The Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
TJ on a diet
Shifty Cat
9
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Claims Dragons Scalp
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Kevin Sinfield
FORESTBRI
7
TODAY
Jon Wilkin
Chesterrhino
1
TODAY
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beating the Rhinos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Surely its all over now for Watson
WelshGiant
4
TODAY
Super Salford First Half Slays The Wolves
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights game v Salford
Boss Hog
76
TODAY
7pm tonight
lifelongfan
12
TODAY
Andy Badrock - new signing apparently
Jack Gaskell
3
TODAY
OCarroll extends contract
smiffythebul
4
TODAY
Sintillins
orangeman
19
TODAY
Max Lehmann signs
Rafa9
4
TODAY
Squads - Dragons v Leopards
Cokey
1
TODAY
Whitehaven A
Bullseye
18
TODAY
Round 13 Hull FC A
tad rhino
106
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
87
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
282
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
256
Super Salford First Half Slays..
379
England to play Samoa in autum..
416
Wakefield Trinity Show No Merc..
1390
Wigan Warriors Dominate Challe..
1079
St Helens Beat Leeds To Lift F..
1192
Rugby League to pay homage to ..
1279
2024 State of Origin - Game 1 ..
1315
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
1816
Salford Red Devils Up To Six A..
1444
Leeds Into The Six After Derby..
1442
Weakened Wigan Beat Warrington..
1487
St Helens Extend Lead At The T..
1638
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 16th Jun
SL
15:00
LondonB6-52St.Helens
Thu 20th Jun
SL
20:00
Castleford-Hull KR
Fri 21st Jun
SL
20:00
Leeds-Leigh
SL
20:00
Wigan-LondonB
Sat 22nd Jun
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Warrington
SL
17:30
Catalans-Huddersfield
Sun 23rd Jun
SL
15:00
Salford-St.Helens
Wed 26th Jun
SOO
11:05
New South Wales-Queensland
Sat 29th Jun
MINT2024
17:00
France M-England M
WINT2024
14:30
FRANCE W-ENGLAND W
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 16th Jun
SL 14 LondonB6-52St.Helens
WSL2024 6 Hudds W4-42LeedsW
CH 11 Dewsbury0-40York
CH 11 Sheffield18-16Featherstone
CH 11 Swinton16-20Batley
CH 11 Whitehaven18-36Bradford
CH11 Widnes18-20Wakefield
L1 11 Crusaders34-32Workington
L1 11 Cornwall14-38Rochdale
L1 11 Hunslet25-18Midlands
L1 11 Newcastle6-60Oldham
NRL 15 Manly30-14St.George
NRL 15 Newcastle18-26Penrith
Sat 15th Jun
SL 14 Hull FC18-10Leeds
SL 14 Catalans2-10Leigh
WSL2024 6 BarrowW6-46WiganW
WSL2024 6 FeatherstoneW10-16Wire W
CH 11 Barrow28-38Halifax
CH 11 Toulouse52-0Doncaster
NRL 15 Wests18-10Gold Coast
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
St.Helens 14 405 142 263 22
Wigan 13 367 164 203 22
Hull KR 14 370 189 181 20
Warrington 14 334 195 139 18
Salford 14 275 270 5 18
Catalans 14 266 202 64 16
 
Leeds 14 256 260 -4 14
Huddersfield 14 280 295 -15 12
Leigh 13 254 208 46 11
Castleford 14 226 416 -190 7
Hull FC 14 180 450 -270 4
LondonB 14 140 562 -422 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 11 404 118 286 22
Sheffield 11 306 186 120 16
Widnes 11 278 191 87 15
Bradford 11 265 202 63 14
Toulouse 10 276 174 102 12
Featherstone 11 306 229 77 12
 
Batley 11 181 234 -53 10
Doncaster 11 215 279 -64 9
York 12 241 251 -10 8
Swinton 11 242 290 -48 8
Whitehaven 11 210 308 -98 8
Halifax 11 208 313 -105 8
Barrow 10 179 293 -114 8
Dewsbury 12 144 343 -199 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
14m
Surely its all over now for Watson
WelshGiant
4
33m
Rodwell
Luppylad
15
41m
Widnes away
FIL
89
42m
Round 13 Hull FC A
tad rhino
106
43m
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
174
46m
Shopping list for 2025
davey41
2705
Recent
Kevin Sinfield
FORESTBRI
7
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
The games af
2050
Recent
Smith out ASAP
Ex-Swarcliff
689
Recent
Barrow v Halifax
MP
12
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
christopher
9155
48s
Tonights game v Salford
Boss Hog
76
58s
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
174
1m
7pm tonight
lifelongfan
12
1m
Sintillins
orangeman
19
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Bobby Digita
2568
2m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37566
2m
TV Games - Not Hull
The games af
1958
3m
Whitehaven A
Bullseye
18
4m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59680
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
St Helens Break Fifty As They Thrash The Broncos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
TJ on a diet
Shifty Cat
9
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Claims Dragons Scalp
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Kevin Sinfield
FORESTBRI
7
TODAY
Jon Wilkin
Chesterrhino
1
TODAY
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beating the Rhinos
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Surely its all over now for Watson
WelshGiant
4
TODAY
Super Salford First Half Slays The Wolves
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights game v Salford
Boss Hog
76
TODAY
7pm tonight
lifelongfan
12
TODAY
Andy Badrock - new signing apparently
Jack Gaskell
3
TODAY
OCarroll extends contract
smiffythebul
4
TODAY
Sintillins
orangeman
19
TODAY
Max Lehmann signs
Rafa9
4
TODAY
Squads - Dragons v Leopards
Cokey
1
TODAY
Whitehaven A
Bullseye
18
TODAY
Round 13 Hull FC A
tad rhino
106
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
87
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
282
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
256
Super Salford First Half Slays..
379
England to play Samoa in autum..
416
Wakefield Trinity Show No Merc..
1390
Wigan Warriors Dominate Challe..
1079
St Helens Beat Leeds To Lift F..
1192
Rugby League to pay homage to ..
1279
2024 State of Origin - Game 1 ..
1315
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
1816
Salford Red Devils Up To Six A..
1444
Leeds Into The Six After Derby..
1442
Weakened Wigan Beat Warrington..
1487
St Helens Extend Lead At The T..
1638


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!