Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:09 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

try the french approach,if you don't like the system,get out on the streets and burn sheep or blockade petrol depots etc it doesn't always work but it scares the poop out of the government !

sorry,the british 'reserve' won't allow that,will it ?

What about the August riots?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:38 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Well, the British certainly stood up and were counted in the run-up to the Iraq war. It didn't change the outcome of course (Blair showed that despite being an odious wretch he had bigger balls than any politician in the last fifty years) - but it mortally wounded the Blair presidency, which was never as effective thereafter.

The irony is the consequences of the Iraq invasion to British citizens were/are nowhere near as damaging as those the working and middle classes will suffer if the Tories get their way. It seems that we will not stand idly as people in faraway lands are shafted up one side and down the other but when it's us on the receiving end we suddenly develop a masochistic streak and become meek as lambs.

yes,the british people did stand against the invasion but didn't have a lot of choice when the Blair puppet had to follow his boss in the Oval Office and invade a country that 'allegedly' were stockpiling nuclear arms (which were NEVER found of course).But what did britain actually get out of Iraq domestically ? maybe a few arms dealers did ok out of it.but what another waste of money ! The french and the rest were ok as the british did the dirty work for them as per usual but the british ended up footing the bill in pounds sterling but more importantly in human loss.
Don't think any government will change the fabric of british thinking - i'm pretty non political and a permanent fence-sitter,like most froggies waiting for the best side to back or,put it another way, a coward...but when something domestically has to be done I am out on the streets trying to change the system - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't aka the Pension Age dispute, but at least we tried...

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:52 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What about the August riots?

so,what were the few days of street violence actually about ? - the main incidents involved violence to fellow britains and damage to peoples property - another Brixton riot situation in which nothing was actually acheived, or was it ? what did the wanton vandalism actually acheive ?
If you want a REAL riot then go back to 1968 in Paris where the riots prompted the President to flee the country and rule from Germany,in fear of his life and the real threat of revolution was averted when de Gaulle was persuaded to call a General Election to stabilize the situation - France never looked back from that period and started their rebuilding of society

Hello : Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:47 am  

sanjunien wrote:

Don't think any government will change the fabric of british thinking - i'm pretty non political and a permanent fence-sitter,like most froggies waiting for the best side to back or,put it another way, a coward...but when something domestically has to be done I am out on the streets trying to change the system - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't aka the Pension Age dispute, but at least we tried...

Many thousands of us did try in 83/84. We lost but we proudly tried....In Yorkshire, Lancashire, Scotland, South Wales, Durham, Nottinghamshire and Kent!

Re: Hello : Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Many thousands of us did try in 83/84. We lost but we proudly tried....In Yorkshire, Lancashire, Scotland, South Wales, Durham, Nottinghamshire and Kent!

sounds like it's time for another go then mate ?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:57 am  

Healthcare systems cost comparison

Healthcare systems cost comparison

Hello : Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:57 am  

sanjunien wrote:

sounds like it's time for another go then mate ?

Leave a gap at the top of that list for my name please pal. If you've ever sat in a soup kitchen and seen silent tears running down the side of a big hairy @rsed miners face, b'cos he couldn't pay his mortgage, feed his kids, or put the heating on, then you'd know there was nothing wrong with the indomitability of the British working classes. Unfortunately it seems Thatcher Blair and Cameron have successively put payed to any last vestiges of that. These lot hate NHS, always have. It's ours, created by one of ours, and that's what they despise!

Re: Hello : Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:19 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Leave a gap at the top of that list for my name please pal. If you've ever sat in a soup kitchen and seen silent tears running down the side of a big hairy @rsed miners face, b'cos he couldn't pay his mortgage, feed his kids, or put the heating on, then you'd know there was nothing wrong with the indomitability of the British working classes. Unfortunately it seems Thatcher Blair and Cameron have successively put payed to any last vestiges of that. These lot hate NHS, always have. It's ours, created by one of ours, and that's what they despise!

you've forgotten Mr Major who also did his best to destroy britain that is,when he wasn't at Lords or bonking Mme Currie!

can't imagine having to struggle like you describe - i've never had to you see ? we were never rich but we always managed as a family thanks to my dad working all hours to keep us afloat - If only I had a magic wand WZ ? ....

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:31 am  

cod'ead wrote: Healthcare systems cost comparison sounds fantastic ! I wonder how much these impressive figures take into account the weekly number of NHS patients receiving treatment in french and other EU hospitals ? Our lmain hospital in Limoges receives a plane load per week ! Apparently it was started about five years ago by Mr Bliar to reduce waiting lists etc etc within the NHS. our local hospital also boasts a regular ex-pat clientele with one consultant,an orthopaedic surgeon telling me 40% of his customers are brits,the vast majority of whom are covered by the European Health Card where the UK reimburses the french system for any work done...

cod'ead wrote: Healthcare systems cost comparison sounds fantastic ! I wonder how much these impressive figures take into account the weekly number of NHS patients receiving treatment in french and other EU hospitals ? Our lmain hospital in Limoges receives a plane load per week ! Apparently it was started about five years ago by Mr Bliar to reduce waiting lists etc etc within the NHS. our local hospital also boasts a regular ex-pat clientele with one consultant,an orthopaedic surgeon telling me 40% of his customers are brits,the vast majority of whom are covered by the European Health Card where the UK reimburses the french system for any work done...

Hello : Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:33 am  

sanjunien wrote:

you've forgotten Mr Major who also did his best to destroy britain that is,when he wasn't at Lords or bonking Mme Currie!

can't imagine having to struggle like you describe - i've never had to you see ? we were never rich but we always managed as a family thanks to my dad working all hours to keep us afloat - If only I had a magic wand WZ ? ....

After Thatcher it was impossible to hate Major! Even so, 'caring conservatism?' Don't make me larfff! No magic wand required mate, just a certain amount of dignity for those wedged, skint, or the ones in between. A free NHS for all is a good starting point in my books.