Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:56 am  

Dally wrote:

Seems like the governmen have caught up wih Bob Crow with their proposals.

If it turns from a "Lets fly this kite and see if anyone shoots it down" to actual policy/law then its a significant shift from a standpoint of council housing being available to any who chose it as a method of residence to council housing only being for the poor - which isn't really going to benefit anyone especially those who have lived on estates for generations and by mis-management seen their decline.

A radical right wing government adopting Standee's viewpoint, who would have thought it ?

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:56 am  

cod'ead wrote: Looks like Camoron's little 'Help to Buy' PR stunt last week isn't all it seems In what way? Was she someone who used the "help to buy scheme" or not?

cod'ead wrote: Looks like Camoron's little 'Help to Buy' PR stunt last week isn't all it seems In what way? Was she someone who used the "help to buy scheme" or not?

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:03 am  

BobbyD wrote:

In what way? Was she someone who used the "help to buy scheme" or not?

The newspapers picked up on a blog story that had been widely circulated over the weekend, on first viewing it looks like a very carefully stage managed "good news" PR story but when reading the details (there are few details) its fairly plain to see that nothing illegal has occurred.

What is plain is that Camerons advisors could have picked a better example for him to turn into a PR exercise for Right-to-Buy and if I were him I'd be asking some questions of his staff, like "Did you not ask her what job she did, could you not have found me an Asda checkout girl to be photographed with ?"

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:26 am  

JerryChicken wrote: The newspapers picked up on a blog story that had been widely circulated over the weekend, on first viewing it looks like a very carefully stage managed "good news" PR story but when reading the details (there are few details) its fairly plain to see that nothing illegal has occurred. What is plain is that Camerons advisors could have picked a better example for him to turn into a PR exercise for Right-to-Buy and if I were him I'd be asking some questions of his staff, like "Did you not ask her what job she did, could you not have found me an Asda checkout girl to be photographed with ?" You mean like this one? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... uy_scheme/ 2 bed terraces round there for £50k. Not the greatest area but they seemed please. But still, not quite as juicy as "Woman with good job, nice car buys expensive house...WAAAAHHHH Tories"

JerryChicken wrote: The newspapers picked up on a blog story that had been widely circulated over the weekend, on first viewing it looks like a very carefully stage managed "good news" PR story but when reading the details (there are few details) its fairly plain to see that nothing illegal has occurred. What is plain is that Camerons advisors could have picked a better example for him to turn into a PR exercise for Right-to-Buy and if I were him I'd be asking some questions of his staff, like "Did you not ask her what job she did, could you not have found me an Asda checkout girl to be photographed with ?" You mean like this one? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... uy_scheme/ 2 bed terraces round there for £50k. Not the greatest area but they seemed please. But still, not quite as juicy as "Woman with good job, nice car buys expensive house...WAAAAHHHH Tories"

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:08 am  

BobbyD wrote: You mean like this one? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... uy_scheme/ 2 bed terraces round there for £50k. Not the greatest area but they seemed please. But still, not quite as juicy as "Woman with good job, nice car buys expensive house...WAAAAHHHH Tories" Thats the way the newspapers work, welcome to the realisation, the nationals feed off the regionals and also off social media, the Cameron story was doing the rounds before the weekend on Twitter and Facebook and the story as printed is almost word for word what the blogger (with an agenda) wrote, no research necessary just lots of innuendo and suggestion. Like I said, his staff could have done a few minutes research and perhaps chosen a more neutral subject.

BobbyD wrote: You mean like this one? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... uy_scheme/ 2 bed terraces round there for £50k. Not the greatest area but they seemed please. But still, not quite as juicy as "Woman with good job, nice car buys expensive house...WAAAAHHHH Tories" Thats the way the newspapers work, welcome to the realisation, the nationals feed off the regionals and also off social media, the Cameron story was doing the rounds before the weekend on Twitter and Facebook and the story as printed is almost word for word what the blogger (with an agenda) wrote, no research necessary just lots of innuendo and suggestion. Like I said, his staff could have done a few minutes research and perhaps chosen a more neutral subject.

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:55 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats the way the newspapers work, welcome to the realisation, the nationals feed off the regionals and also off social media, the Cameron story was doing the rounds before the weekend on Twitter and Facebook and the story as printed is almost word for word what the blogger (with an agenda) wrote, no research necessary just lots of innuendo and suggestion.

Like I said, his staff could have done a few minutes research and perhaps chosen a more neutral subject.

Or the blogger (with an agenda) could have actually looked at the facts as opposed to "WAAAHHHH...Tories".

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:01 am  

BobbyD wrote:

Or the blogger (with an agenda) could have actually looked at the facts as opposed to "WAAAHHHH...Tories".

The nature of blogs is that they are the opinions of the person who writes them and anyone who reads them needs to keep this in mind, some are written by professionals and have varying elements of research, some are just pure opinion and based on nothing other than prejudice, whatever flavour that prejudice may be.

Unfortunately we are tending to find that newspapers are abdicating any responsibility to check facts and opting to simply quote "sources" and because most people still assume (wrongly) that newspapers only report facts and do not try to sway opinion at all, then we are where we are.

If I have a minute I'll find a link to the original blog and then you can compare to the newspaper article but it seems that in this case none of the professionals involved have researched the subject at all, the blogger did a little digging and adopted what he found to suit his personal view, as is his right.

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:04 am  

BobbyD wrote:

But still, not quite as juicy as "Woman with good job, nice car buys expensive house...WAAAAHHHH Tories"

Or not as juicy as woman and husband with decent salaries and have just bought a car that would have covered the said deposit, given government help to buy a property using a scheme designed to help people who couldn't afford the deposit.

Add the fact that it looks like they either bought some time ago or was staged just for the PR stunt and it is more Oi, Tories!

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:15 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

Or not as juicy as woman and husband with decent salaries and have just bought a car that would have covered the said deposit, given government help to buy a property using a scheme designed to help people who couldn't afford the deposit.

Add the fact that it looks like they either bought some time ago or was staged just for the PR stunt and it is more Oi, Tories!

Husband? She's referred to as Ms. Did she buy the car or is it a company car? Just what is her salary? Has this evil harridan, by using the scheme scuppered the chances of a poor, unfortunate family realising their dream?

Re: Housing : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:31 am  

BobbyD wrote:

Husband? She's referred to as Ms. Did she buy the car or is it a company car? Just what is her salary? Has this evil harridan, by using the scheme scuppered the chances of a poor, unfortunate family realising their dream?

Read the article.