Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:27 pm  

King Street Cat wrote: So what do we make of this? http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... -1-7967886 He's a white Englishman so of course he's just 'a loner' and 'mentally ill' rather than an ideologically motivated terrorist.

King Street Cat wrote: So what do we make of this? http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... -1-7967886 He's a white Englishman so of course he's just 'a loner' and 'mentally ill' rather than an ideologically motivated terrorist.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:18 pm  

I have tried to hold back for a short while, as a sign of respect.

If it turns out Mair has shouted “Britain First” that could be a game changer.

Any half intelligent person would be reviled by this act & if it transpires Mair has some affiliation to this organisation, well the majority of “don’t knows” could well have been swayed.

Than a small part of me relapses into Mugwump mode!

What if the powers that be, not the politicians, the higher powers, decided that things don’t seem to be going their way? So they resort to Plan B.

[DaveO]

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:31 pm  

What a sad day for Britain and what tragedy for her young children, husband and family.

I fear what transpired today is a result of months and months of misguided rhetoric aimed at immigrants and refugees and also the the stoking of nationalism.

We have opened Pandora's box and as a result we have given our species's innate prejudices (tribalism, jingoism, racism, etc) a platform. Black day for British society and British politics.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:13 am  

Kelvin's Ferret wrote:

I'm probably going to vote to remain, but it's the lesser of two evils. I despise the EU for the deeply corrupt and unaccountable empire project it is, but this is a Faustian pact we have no way of escaping now. The calculated and shamelessly explicit corruption of "ever wider and deeper union" hooked us in a long time ago, the big irony is that as one of the few big net financial contributors to the project it effectively bribed our elites with our own money whilst taking even more of our money to bribe others!

We seriously need to bring migration back to more sensible levels, we need some immigrants for sure, but we need to treat economic migration as the cold, hard economic calculation it's supposed to be, the open door might get you a cheap cleaning lady or shop worker but the pressures on housing, education and healthcare are far more costly. Does a Greek barista bring the same benefit as an Indian nurse? I don't think so.

Dave was stupid to promise a deal he couldn't deliver and he made himself look idiotic by coming back with a pile of poo and telling everyone how well he'd done polishing it. The reality is that the EU project has hooked in loads of other countries too (with bribes we subsidised) and their economies are royally screwed by a dysfunctional momentary union, which means that exporting their unemployed to work as low skilled labour in the UK is a godsend whether it's remittances or UK Welfare benefits sent home or even just getting them off their own Welfare. But open door is not sustainable and you cannot run economic policy as if it were a charity with a bag of free money!

If those are your reasons to remain I'd like to see your reasons for not leaving!

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:55 am  

UKIP doing their best impersonation of the Nazi Party:

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:44 am  

DaveO wrote:

I fear what transpired today is a result of months and months of misguided rhetoric aimed at immigrants and refugees and also the the stoking of nationalism.

We have opened Pandora's box and as a result we have given our species's innate prejudices (tribalism, jingoism, racism, etc) a platform. Black day for British society and British politics.

I have to agree - this happened 10 minutes from my house and in an area I know very well; it's genuinely shocking and deeply sad.

Much will be made of the mental illness, wrong time wrong place angle; but the increasingly nationalistic tone of the Leave campaign has given people with extreme views a convenient peg on which to hang their prejudices.

This referendum has become the most sordid, dishonest and divisive political exercise in a generation; campaigners from both sides should hang their heads.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:46 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

If those are your reasons to remain I'd like to see your reasons for not leaving!

The way the "wider and deeper EU" methodology worked, and it's an incredibly successful methodology from the viewpoint of the project itself, means it is too late to extract ourselves now. Our economic and political infrastructure is too deeply linked to the EU, we cannot simply get out of jail free. The Brexiteers do not have any plan that can actually extricate us without massive damage being done, and many of our "EU partners" see us as a convenient cash cow and won't happily let us disconnect from the gravy train. We need to stick it out, the project is already overstretched and reform cannot be delayed indefinitely. We may never get the ideal EU for the UK, but the current one has too many other problems to hold out on reform forever.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:10 pm  

DaveO wrote:

What a sad day for Britain and what tragedy for her young children, husband and family.

I fear what transpired today is a result of months and months of misguided rhetoric aimed at immigrants and refugees and also the the stoking of nationalism.

We have opened Pandora's box and as a result we have given our species's innate prejudices (tribalism, jingoism, racism, etc) a platform. Black day for British society and British politics.

Another who has sought to make political capital out of a horrible crime. You should be ashamed of your vile post.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:10 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Another who has sought to make political capital out of a horrible crime. You should be ashamed of your vile post.

Yeah, how dare someone politicize a politically motivated assassination?

People like you are absolute bottom feeders. Get a grip.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:21 pm  

headhunter wrote: Yeah, how dare someone politicize a politically motivated assassination? People like you are absolute bottom feeders. Get a grip. There are no depths some in the remain 'campaign' won't sink to win the referendum, especially as they are actually losing the argument. Look at this guy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36567469 The World's fifth largest economy would suddenly become 'like Guernsey' (whatever that means) just because we vote to leave your undemocratic, wasteful, corrupt, horrible club. Scaremongering crap of the highest order.

headhunter wrote: Yeah, how dare someone politicize a politically motivated assassination? People like you are absolute bottom feeders. Get a grip. There are no depths some in the remain 'campaign' won't sink to win the referendum, especially as they are actually losing the argument. Look at this guy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36567469 The World's fifth largest economy would suddenly become 'like Guernsey' (whatever that means) just because we vote to leave your undemocratic, wasteful, corrupt, horrible club. Scaremongering crap of the highest order.