Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:48 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Just watched Gordon Brown on SKY give an awesome performance at a NO rally. Talk about a transformation! Gone was the tired figure we saw leaving Downing St, and in its place was a totally reinvigorated man.

This was an old style barn storming Labour Politician, giving it the full monty of blood and thunder......and I have to say, I was more than a little impressed! Michael Foot would have been proud. And if that doesn't convince the waiverers, then nothing will.

Which kinda begs the question...why was that very nice, but very straight middle class chappie Alistair Darling ever allowed to publically debate with Salmond? Who is simply Rab C Nesbitt in a suit, and kicked the booty out of Darling a couple of weeks ago, and got the YES campaign back on track.

But the former PM is an idiot, apparently.

The 'NO' campaign wanted Tony Blair to travel up there and make a couple of speeches on their behalf but then they started to realise the Scottish are sick to the back teeth of Tories.
Anyway, he's far too busy solving the problems in the Middle East.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:04 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Just watched Gordon Brown on SKY give an awesome performance at a NO rally. Talk about a transformation! Gone was the tired figure we saw leaving Downing St, and in its place was a totally reinvigorated man.

This was an old style barn storming Labour Politician, giving it the full monty of blood and thunder......and I have to say, I was more than a little impressed! Michael Foot would have been proud. And if that doesn't convince the waiverers, then nothing will.

Pretty much what I said, where was that attitude when the bugger was in number 10?

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:31 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Pretty much what I said, where was that attitude when the bugger was in number 10?

He has the freedom to make mistakes now (not that he didn't make mistakes in No 10), he's also not following in the shadow of a gormless beaming muppet.

Whoever takes over from Cameron (assuming someone does) will suffer the same thing, charisma is not a replacement for honesty, ability principles.

Salmond has no policy other than to "biff the English and give them a bloody nose"

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:03 pm  

Standee wrote:

charisma is not a replacement for honesty, ability principles.

All of which Brown has in spades

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:11 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

All of which Brown has in spades

Correct.
That was his problem as opposed to the incumbent before and the one after.
He wasn't capable of whoring himself like that pair.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:27 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

All of which Brown has in spades

unfortunately they are Socialism based, and socialism doesn't work.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:32 pm  

Standee wrote:

unfortunately they are Socialism based, and socialism doesn't work.

Socialism seemed to work pretty well when it was required to bail out the capitalist banking system in 2008.

But that's always the case with capitalism: privatise the profits and socialise the loss, a quick look at East Coast Trains should help you there

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:36 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Socialism seemed to work pretty well when it was required to bail out the capitalist banking system in 2008.

But that's always the case with capitalism: privatise the profits and socialise the loss, a quick look at East Coast Trains should help you there

let's just leave our personal politics aside, and agree that Scotland makes the Union stronger.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:39 pm  

Standee wrote:

unfortunately they are Socialism based, and socialism doesn't work.

The vast majority of Scots voters on both sides of this referendum would obviously prefer to be governed by anything other than the party that currently holds sway in the UK presently though.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:45 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

The vast majority of Scots voters on both sides of this referendum would obviously prefer to be governed by anything other than the party that currently holds sway in the UK presently though.

I know plenty of Scots that are conservatives, they are just not very vocal.

Better, together.