Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 7:35 am  

wire-quin wrote:

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Of course he can't commit to lower train fares until we know what the terms of the deal will be. Unlike the Tories who make overblown promises on everything and then subsequently fail to keep.

Debt saddled on the aspirational, workers rights being eroded, working class people struggling to buy their own house, schools sending begging letters, NHS in ruins as they starve it to make privatisation attractive etc.

It's not about left vs right, its about top vs bottom. The tories urinate down our backs and tell us its raining. How much longer can they continue to blame Blair for their own failings?

The wealth flows ever upward and the drawbridge is closed behind them. At least Labours manifesto will make it easier for our kids to get on in life by increasing social mobility.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 7:48 am  

Of course he can't commit to lower train fares until we know what the terms of the deal will be. Unlike the Tories who make overblown promises on everything and then subsequently fail to keep.

Debt saddled on the aspirational, workers rights being eroded, working class people struggling to buy their own house, schools sending begging letters, NHS in ruins as they starve it to make privatisation attractive etc.

It's not about left vs right, its about top vs bottom. The tories urinate down our backs and tell us its raining. How much longer can they continue to blame Blair for their own failings?

The wealth flows ever upward and the drawbridge is closed behind them. At least Labours manifesto will make it easier for our kids to get on in life by increasing social mobility.

You can't argue with someone with views like that. Unfortunately for you, you are going to spend the next 5 years very frustrated. It gives you something to talk over in the pub. Stay frustrated. Leave the go getters to get on. I've got a south west train to catch.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 10:52 am  

Happy with most of what's in the manifesto. A lot of it makes sense like re-nationalising the railways.

They'll never get the chance to put it into practice which is a shame.

Also a shame that some people have such a jaundiced view of unions. I've been in and out of a few in my career. They're not all run by Trotskyite loonies. For instance I was in Prospect for a few years which was eminently reasonable. My rep was even a Conservative Party member (he was from Cornwall - not Scotland or Liverpool).

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 11:18 am  

wire-quin wrote:

You can't argue with someone with views like that. Unfortunately for you, you are going to spend the next 5 years very frustrated. It gives you something to talk over in the pub. Stay frustrated. Leave the go getters to get on. I've got a south west train to catch.

I'm getting on just fine - managed to set myself up during latter days of Blairs reign. I know a lot of people who are really struggling since Tories got in and I'm tired of being served crap services by these privatised companies- while they cream millions off the top!

Enjoy your overcrowded train journey!

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 11:43 am  

TrinityIHC wrote: I'm tired of being served crap services by these privatised companies- while they cream millions off the top! Indeed. This c0ck up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989225 Led to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35793073 And eventually this sort of thing happens: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-39020384 As predicted here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... ill-occur/ But as always with the Tories "privatisation good publicly owned bad" shame they're slaves to flawed idiology.

TrinityIHC wrote: I'm tired of being served crap services by these privatised companies- while they cream millions off the top! Indeed. This c0ck up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989225 Led to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35793073 And eventually this sort of thing happens: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-39020384 As predicted here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... ill-occur/ But as always with the Tories "privatisation good publicly owned bad" shame they're slaves to flawed idiology.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 12:42 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Happy with most of what's in the manifesto. A lot of it makes sense like re-nationalising the railways.

They'll never get the chance to put it into practice which is a shame.

Also a shame that some people have such a jaundiced view of unions. I've been in and out of a few in my career. They're not all run by Trotskyite loonies. For instance I was in Prospect for a few years which was eminently reasonable. My rep was even a Conservative Party member (he was from Cornwall - not Scotland or Liverpool).

If you look at Southern rail you can see why people have a dim opinion of unions. It would be a bloodbath if the rail network were nationalised

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 1:12 pm  

The Labour manifesto looks like it's been pulled from a time capsule, it's an utter joke.
Anyone would think they were trying to take control of the utilities so that the Unions could take a stronger grip over the country.
Who ever takes over from Corbyn, assuming that he will step down or, be ousted from being Leader, needs some new ideas.
Clamping down properly on tax evasion and tax avoidance would be a good start.

It's a crying shame that Team Teresa is going to have a huge majority but, nobody is even coming close to making her campaign difficult.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 1:23 pm  

Clamping down on tax avoidance/evasion is in the manifesto.

I don't think it's an utter joke. A lot of what is in there makes sense. Take the nationalisation of the rail network.

It's a hugely expensive and inefficient set up at the moment. Many train operating companies are fleecing the government and in many cases are foreign owned state companies anyway.

NE Mainline was much better when it was state run (briefly) recently.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 1:41 pm  

If you look at Southern rail you can see why people have a dim opinion of unions. It would be a bloodbath if the rail network were nationalised

And what were they fighting for to save ticket inspectors (guards) jobs. The future isn't guard less trains but driverless trains which is what you see on the Paris underground, Gatwick airport, DLR etc etc

Barriers at stations can check tickets.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 11, 2017 2:52 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The Labour manifesto looks like it's been pulled from a time capsule, it's an utter joke.
Anyone would think they were trying to take control of the utilities so that the Unions could take a stronger grip over the country.
Who ever takes over from Corbyn, assuming that he will step down or, be ousted from being Leader, needs some new ideas.
Clamping down properly on tax evasion and tax avoidance would be a good start.

It's a crying shame that Team Teresa is going to have a huge majority but, nobody is even coming close to making her campaign difficult.

I interpret is differently - only wants to renationalise the power grid and have 1 publicly owned energy company available in each area. Look at the profits generated by Centrica and Npower etc - I'd love UK taxpayer to get a slice of that market - plough the profits back into developing renewables and take that cost off the end user perhaps?

Can also possibly use the publicly owned companies to keep prices down if required. The danger is the big 6 could collude to undercut the public company to reduce its market share. Not sure how that would pan out though

Energy privatisation is a mess and customers are paying much more, fuel poverty is rife.

Only thing I can see about Unions is ensuring they have access to all workplaces?