Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I honestly don’t get it - he has something that I am completely blind to. And it is very hard to work out how to beat something you don’t understand!

It doesn’t seem to be a positive vote - nobody can straight-facedly say anything positive about him, but it doesn’t just seem to be a negative pooping in the pool or anti-Labour thing, either.

I’m clearly massively out of touch. I’ve tried - I’ve watched lots of Jeff Taylor videos on YouTube. I don’t want to just dismiss it as a national emotional and intellectual meltdown because that feels lazy. But I can’t come up with anything better. maybe it is like that dress from a few years ago that was blue and black, or white and gold. Maybe some people see Boris Johnson as talented, interesting and wise, and it is just another state of perception. But then, why does nobody ever say it?

It is almost funny.

Herein lies the issue that Labour have - the public are stupid - no wonder the left is such a shambles.

It started with Brexit i.e. we need keep voting until the public vote the we want them too because we are so much more intelligent and know what's best. Labour just sneer at everyone as if they are all idiots.

Whilst ever your look down at ordinary people in this way the greater the gap will become - Boris said he would honour the vote on Brexit and he did - you might not like the deal but we are no longer in the EU - that is tangible - all the virtue signalling and wokeness that the left put out is simply bonkers - most people aren't bothered. They believe their are two genders not a hundred etc.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 7:54 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Tells me to stop making stuff up.
Makes stuff up in pretty much the next sentence.
Well done old boy.

I would suggest you look back and we will see who is telling the truth - and we both know it isn't you

Now run along and get reading today's Politico playbook.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 8:16 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I would suggest you look back and we will see who is telling the truth - and we both know it isn't you

Now run along and get reading today's Politico playbook.

You made up stuff about me saying the UK "would not be able to survive outside the EU".

Now you are projecting something weird about some establishment news site?

Are you feeling OK?

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 10:23 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

You made up stuff about me saying the UK "would not be able to survive outside the EU".

Now you are projecting something weird about some establishment news site?

Are you feeling OK?

I'm fine batting of the likes of you is both easy and a pleasure - nobody has quote Politico on here apart from you - or are you deny that too?

Do you suffer from amnesia - or are you just forgetful when it suits you?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 10:48 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Herein lies the issue that Labour have - the public are stupid - no wonder the left is such a shambles.

It started with Brexit i.e. we need keep voting until the public vote the we want them too because we are so much more intelligent and know what's best. Labour just sneer at everyone as if they are all idiots.

Whilst ever your look down at ordinary people in this way the greater the gap will become - Boris said he would honour the vote on Brexit and he did - you might not like the deal but we are no longer in the EU - that is tangible - all the virtue signalling and wokeness that the left put out is simply bonkers - most people aren't bothered. They believe their are two genders not a hundred etc.

That I get. I’m not in denial about Labour’s failings. The social democratic-socialist coalition has cracked and the societal concerns of both wings are of limited interest to lots of voters.

The Tories have dealt with the threat from their right from UKIP and Farage by consuming it whole, while holding on to the centre right (for now).

The broad trends are easy to see. But then you got the absurdism of Johnson as Prime Minister.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat May 08, 2021 11:19 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I'm fine batting of the likes of you is both easy and a pleasure - nobody has quote Politico on here apart from you - or are you deny that too?

Do you suffer from amnesia - or are you just forgetful when it suits you?

I have no recollection of "quoting" Politico on here but I suppose if you say so I may have linked to something.
I'm not entirely sure what point you're making though. And neither, I suspect, do you.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun May 09, 2021 3:20 pm  

If these are the people Labour have to win back, good luck to them. https://mobile.twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058

If these are the people Labour have to win back, good luck to them. https://mobile.twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun May 09, 2021 4:19 pm  

King Street Cat wrote: If these are the people Labour have to win back, good luck to them. https://mobile.twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058 What are you implying? That labour can't rely on the morons that used to vote for them? You can't have it both ways.

King Street Cat wrote: If these are the people Labour have to win back, good luck to them. https://mobile.twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058 What are you implying? That labour can't rely on the morons that used to vote for them? You can't have it both ways.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun May 09, 2021 4:40 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

What are you implying? That labour can't rely on the morons that used to vote for them? You can't have it both ways.

The bloke has no idea about the differences between local and national government. He is pointing out police and hospital issues. Those decisions are not made at local level. The Tories have been in power for 11 years and presumably he's voted for them "for change"! The theory always trotted out is "Labour don't understand the working class". With blokes like him in the video is it any wonder? Do you understand him?

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun May 09, 2021 5:13 pm  

[quote="King Street Cat"]The bloke has no idea about the differences between local and national government. He is pointing out police and hospital issues. Those decisions are not made at local level. The Tories have been in power for 11 years and presumably he's voted for them "for change"! The theory always trotted out is "Labour don't understand the working class". With blokes like him in the video is it any wonder? Do you understand him?

It's like the sinking ship with three survivor's, one of whom is Boris Johnson, the other a normal bloke and the 3rd one an immigrant. Johnson looks at the available supplies, 30 hard tack biscuits and 5 bottles of water. Johnson takes 25 biscuits and 3 bottles of water and tells the normal bloke to get the rest before the immigrant gets them.

Think Cummings, when he was running the show understood the mentality and to a certain extent, so does Johnson.

Tories are bullet proof for a while yet.