[Kosh]

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:18 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

What do you mean unfortunately for me? It was alleged he called police plebs. If he didn't this is defamatory.

Do you actually understand what defamatory means in the legal sense?

Ajw71 wrote:

Yes, it was a fact that the police report said he used the word pleb, but it is not a fact that he actually said the word pleb.

It is, however, an uncontested fact that he had an altercation with the police and that he swore at them. And this is where we come back to defamatory.

Ajw71 wrote:

Newspapers cannot repeat libelous staments and I don't really understand why you are making out that someone suing newspapers is a revolutionary step.

Nobody is making out that suing newspapers is a revolutionary step. Or that they are free to repeat libel. The crux of the matter is what constitutes libel. People do sue papers and lose, something you seem to be unaware of. And those people often have expensive lawyers who were happy to take their fee regardless of the chances of success.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:21 pm  

Standee wrote:

genuine question

how much outdoor CCTV has sound recording?

You're talking about the high security entrance to the highest profile terrorist target in the country through which very few people have a genuine need of access (its not like its open to the public as a museum etc) and those that do have to identify themselves.

I am rather hoping that they don't just rely on those three very blurry, non-audio cameras who's footage Mitchell's supporters have been able to obtain to date in order to cover all security events on Downing Street.

Look back several pages on this thread and you'll find me singing from the same hymn sheet time and again - the footage obtained is so vague as to be almost unusable and even Ch4's Dispatches program (who seem to be Mitchells public mouthpiece) admit that its inconclusive - can you imagine a terrorist attack on those gates and the police having to rely on those images, no neither can I.

As for public rights & recording - is Downing Street a public right of way or private land ?

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:35 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Look back several pages on this thread and you'll find me singing from the same hymn sheet time and again -

I will vouch for that.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:47 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

:WAVE:

I will vouch for that.

"All things bright and beautiful..."

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:28 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Do you actually understand what defamatory means in the legal sense?

Yes, I studied it, amongst other Torts at University.

Kosh wrote:

It is, however, an uncontested fact that he had an altercation with the police and that he swore at them. And this is where we come back to defamatory.

Not quite, he said he swore in their presence, not directly at them.

Kosh wrote:

People do sue papers and lose, something you seem to be unaware of.

I never suggested otherwise.

You seem to be suggesting that it is cut and dried that Mitchell has no case. This is obviously not correct, as demonstrated by 1) the fact we are having this discussion and 2) the fact Mitchell's lawyers have begun action.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:30 pm  

Standee wrote:

genuine question

how much outdoor CCTV has sound recording?

When we were there in the Summer I could have sworn they wore body cams on the Downing Street gates.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:55 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Yes, I studied it, amongst other Torts at University.

I never thought it would be possible to smell bullshit over an internet messageboard. Well you learn something new every day.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:05 am  

Him wrote:

I never thought it would be possible to smell bullshit over an internet messageboard. Well you learn something new every day.

Nothing to contribute to the discussion then? Didn't think so.

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:51 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Nothing to contribute to the discussion then? Didn't think so.

No denials then? Didn't think so. While you're on it why don't you see if Wikipedia has an entry for "worst liar ever".

Re: Andrew Mitchell MP - Meltdown ? : Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:53 pm  

Him wrote:

No denials then? Didn't think so. While you're on it why don't you see if Wikipedia has an entry for "worst liar ever".

Deny what? I studied Tort law at university. This is a fact.

Don't give a monkeys if you don't believe me to be honest. You are a strange individual.