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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Thu May 04, 2017 8:11 pm  
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Like that would help ??
At the moment, we are still part of the EU and we have agreed payments until such time that a change is made.
What if the "divorce" takes 5 years ? are you suggesting that we should withdraw our contributions and, just for balance, what would you think if the Germans or French did the same or, if the EU stopped all the payments coming back our way ??

Given we contributed around £13.1 billion and received only £4.5 billion in 2016, I'd take that deal. An extra £8.6 billion that doesn't go to propping up weak, corrupt and failing economies in Eastern Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. That's almost the entire annual budget of the Home Office. And if it wasn't for the "rebate" Thatcher negotiated those numbers would be even more damning.

If Germany and France withdrew their payments the entire EU debacle would die, just as it deserves to. The entire project is flawed beyond belief and only the dogged stubbornness of those at its helm keeps it going. Yer know, the people who weren't elected and can't be removed. :lol: :USTUPID:

Great negotiating style, you could be Mrs May's advisor.
They haven't got a clue either !

While the example given is unrealistic, the concept is called leverage. If you don't use it in negotiations, you might as well not bother. It's why both sides are playing hardball at the moment - they both want the other side coming to the table feeling as though they're in a weak position. So the EU announce enormous demands before talks even begin and May comes back with an equally hard line. Nothing to see here.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri May 05, 2017 7:11 am  
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Given we contributed around £13.1 billion and received only £4.5 billion in 2016, I'd take that deal. An extra £8.6 billion that doesn't go to propping up weak, corrupt and failing economies in Eastern Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. That's almost the entire annual budget of the Home Office. And if it wasn't for the "rebate" Thatcher negotiated those numbers would be even more damning.

If Germany and France withdrew their payments the entire EU debacle would die, just as it deserves to. The entire project is flawed beyond belief and only the dogged stubbornness of those at its helm keeps it going. Yer know, the people who weren't elected and can't be removed. :lol: :USTUPID:

While the example given is unrealistic, the concept is called leverage. If you don't use it in negotiations, you might as well not bother. It's why both sides are playing hardball at the moment - they both want the other side coming to the table feeling as though they're in a weak position. So the EU announce enormous demands before talks even begin and May comes back with an equally hard line. Nothing to see here.


So you are agreeing with T. May, the biggest "wind bag" on the political scene.
I was no fan of Thatcher but, she at least followed through on her promises.
T. May can only manage sound bites "fair society", "strong and stable", "just about managing".
She has no substance and although, when negotiating, it's usual to ask for more than you want/need, in order to show compromise, it's also wise not to alienate any group who you may wish to negotiate with.

We all know about the Eurocrats that weren't elected, a bit like the House of Lords ??
and we all know the The EU is a long way from perfect, a long way and quite frankly, it looks like pure fantasy to think that any agreement will be reached in the 2 year time scale, which, will be only 18 months by the time The Germans have been to the polls.
THe one thing we know about the EU is that, they dont do anything quickly.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri May 05, 2017 7:32 am  
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Like that would help ??
At the moment, we are still part of the EU and we have agreed payments until such time that a change is made.
What if the "divorce" takes 5 years ? are you suggesting that we should withdraw our contributions and, just for balance, what would you think if the Germans or French did the same or, if the EU stopped all the payments coming back our way ??

Great negotiating style, you could be Mrs May's advisor.
They haven't got a clue either !


Given we put more in than we get out we will be better off - seems like a plan to me!!

I would suggest this will be all done within the 2 year time frame and we will revert to WTO terms on both sides
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Fri May 05, 2017 12:57 pm  
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Given we put more in than we get out we will be better off - seems like a plan to me!!

I would suggest this will be all done within the 2 year time frame and we will revert to WTO terms on both sides


If we fall back to WTO then, no agreement would have been reached ??
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sat May 06, 2017 5:06 pm  
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If we fall back to WTO then, no agreement would have been reached ??


It will mutually agree to revert to WTO terms and have done with it.

The EU desperately needs the UK money which is why they wont to get that first - it wont happen the UK would be crazy to offer any financial settlement its not in the treaty so unenforceable
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun May 07, 2017 10:31 am  
It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html

I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.
It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html

I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun May 07, 2017 3:08 pm  
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It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html

I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.


It would have been the same story had we voted to remain. These multi-billionaires exist in a completely different universe to multi-millionaires never mind the underclasses! This ridiculous wealth accumulation started long before Brexit.
The Devil's Advocate wrote:
It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html

I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.


It would have been the same story had we voted to remain. These multi-billionaires exist in a completely different universe to multi-millionaires never mind the underclasses! This ridiculous wealth accumulation started long before Brexit.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun May 07, 2017 6:41 pm  
Looks like the French will be staying "in the club"
/www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/07/emmanuel-macron-wins-french-presidency-marine-le-pen
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun May 07, 2017 7:10 pm  
So Merkel gets to rule Germany and France
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